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I guess as much, but... what background? It only exists for him on a personal level. Professionally, it doesn't exist.
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That's what I said. =)
Real programmers use butterflies
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Because despite it being expunged and that there was no conviction you really think an employer is gonna care about that?
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You just don't tell them about it. That's the whole point of being expunged, you don't need to disclose it.
Well, most of the time. I believe there may be certain instances where you would need to. I would have thought you would have been given information about this though during the process?
Also, lets say a person has a criminal record (not you, somebody else) that isn't expunged. Being a freelancer, as opposed to full-time employment, is not justification to withhold that criminal record. Freelancers need to be background checked too.
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no one hasn't even told me about that. So you're telling me i have no chance at being a freelancer as well because i have a record?
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If it's expunged you do not have a record. That's what it means to be expunged.
Real programmers use butterflies
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Throwaway888xxxx wrote: no one hasn't even told me about that.
So do your own research and work it out for yourself then.
Throwaway888xxxx wrote: So you're telling me i have no chance at being a freelancer as well because I have a record?
I didn't say you don't have a chance, the complete opposite in fact, I am saying you have the same chance as anybody else that want's to be a developer.
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aside the conviction/expunge ...
Are you good at keeping organized ? (project management)
Are you good at managing your money ? (for taxes purpose)
Are you good at selling yourself every couple of months ? (get new contracts)
...
Lot of good programmers are really bad at all of the above.
Lot of freelancers are good at all of the above but are bad programmers.
I'd rather be phishing!
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You missed one... lots of people are bad at it all.
Some people like the idea of being a software developer, but just aren't cut out for any aspect of it.
modified 11-Feb-21 8:33am.
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i dont know whether thats suppose to be an insult or what, but thank you?
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It's just a joke based on what Maximilien said... it isn't related to you at all 
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Try to use the joke icon to avoid this misunderstandings 
I changed it for you, it is easier to spot now
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Even if it isn't a joke, it's not related to the OP, so I honestly don't care for them to misunderstand it or otherwise.
That's like me going on Facebook, finding a conversation between 2 random people, and then accusing one of them of insulting me... nonsense!
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I'm reading through this thread in order, and already that's twice you question whether someone's response was meant to be an insult or not.
I'm not sure why you're on the defensive so much. If you have to try this hard to determine whether you should be triggered or not, it sounds like you're looking for external justifications for the state of things.
If you think that's an insult, my honest, best recommendation is: deal with it. If there's one thing I've learned, it's that the world doesn't owe you jack. I'll give you the benefit of full disclosure: how you choose to respond can reveal a lot about you. If you let this sort of thing come through in an interview, you can't blame others if job offers aren't flowing through your door.
If you think I'm being harsh: I just call things as I see them. That's something some people don't always appreciate, much to their own detriment.
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I have to agree, it crossed my mind that the OP seemed to just be looking for someone to say "yeah, you have no chance... just give up now".
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Indeed. The more of his responses I read, the more it sounds like he's already set his mind and is fully expecting failure, and anyone trying to talk him out of it is "wrong". That's downright sad.
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that's not what I'm saying, but I will say this. I appreciate you guys telling me that I have a chance and everything, but lets be honest. I can have the most stellar personality out there and that best grades i can have while I'm in college. At the end of the day I still believe no one isn't gonna hire me. Am I looking to get a job at a place like Google or work for the CIA? No. I really honestly think a little mini startup isn't even gonna look at me simply because regardless of what anyone says conviction no conviction expunged or no expungement it'll all boils down to the fact that I have a record point blank period. I know you all aren't gonna pay attention to that and wanna come up with your own half assed responses, but thats all i gotta say
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You make a claim no one is paying attention, but you're missing a key component to many of the "half-assed" responses.
You don't have a record.
You don't have anything to disclose regarding an expungement.
No one will be any wiser about whatever "record" you (do not) have, unless you tell them.
What will hold you back is a poor attitude.
At this point, it's starting to feel like you're trolling. However, should this all be genuine and you want to play in this field, quit making excuses and go make an effort.
modified 11-Feb-21 14:54pm.
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Kris Lantz wrote: You don't have a record.
You don't have anything to disclose regarding an expungement.
I've been told different from other people regarding this statement.
Kris Lantz wrote: At this point, it's starting to feel like you're trolling.
you can think whatever you wanna think. I just came here looking for an answer about freelancing because its true no one isnt gonna hire me whether i have a good attitude or not. All there gonna care about is my record which to me still exist because it does. so no I don't think you understand what im trying to say or what my situation is and just gonna believe that some employers is gonna care about some expunged arrest? Excuse my language but thats straight up bs?.
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It's apparent that you only read and digest what you want to.
You're not adding any new information to your responses; merely repeating the same, ignoring what we (who work/manage/hire in this field) are telling you.
Your mind is made up on your worth, and that's unfortunate. Some people on the internet aren't going to convince you otherwise. You'll be your own limiting factor, not your expunged record.
In any case, I wish you luck!
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To me this reeks of "pre-emptively finding excuses for his future failures", and those excuses have nothing to do with reality. He's looking to blame the unfairness of society at large when all he needs to find the source of his problems is to look into a mirror.
There's a lot more I could say on this topic, but I'll still give him the benefit of doubt. But I have a feeling this all too stereotypical. I'm leaving it at that.
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Throwaway888xxxx wrote: All there gonna care about is my record
What record?? You don't have one!
Do you have other criminal records that you are not telling us about?
You said you wasn't even convicted. If all that happened was you were arrested, that means nothing. Anybody could get arresting just for being in the wrong place at the wrong time, doesn't mean they did anything wrong.
From what you have told us, you haven't even committed a crime. So please explain, what are you even worried about? because it seems like you might be bending the truth a little bit here.
And if you are getting conflicted advice from another source, I strongly suggest you never pay attention to that source again.
If you really want to convince yourself, go find a criminal lawyer and pay them to tell you the exact same things.
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musefan wrote: What record?? You don't have one!
Do you have other criminal records that you are not telling us about?
No I don't have any other charges, but idk why you're even telling me this when you're in the UK and not the US. Which means the legal system is different between the two.
musefan wrote: And if you are getting conflicted advice from another source, I strongly suggest you never pay attention to that source again.
i went to r/legaladvice from reddit as well as freecodecamp and i've been told otherwise. not sure who to believe
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Throwaway888xxxx wrote: No I don't have any other charges, but idk why you're even telling me this when you're in the UK and not the US. Which means the legal system is different between the two.
I have never been to the US, but I still seem to know more about your own laws than you do. The internet is worldwide, I don't need to travel to learn.
Throwaway888xxxx wrote: i went to r/legaladvice from reddit as well as freecodecamp and i've been told otherwise. not sure who to believe
Why believe anyone? Go out and actually do something about it - apply for some jobs. You will find out quickly enough who was telling the truth and who wasn't.
Anyway, I agree with Kris, you are definitely trolling. Sad thing is, it doesn't bother any of us - we enjoy the conversations/arguments just as much as you do.
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musefan wrote: Why believe anyone? Go out and actually do something about it - apply for some jobs. You will find out quickly enough who was telling the truth and who wasn't.
Anyway, I agree with Kris, you are definitely trolling.
go out and apply and then immediately get shot down as soon as the arrest shows up cause no one is gonna give me a chance now? And you can believe i'm trolling all you want I have no reason to come here and lie as I believe this 100%. as I said it was a wrong thing coming here getting "help"/advice.
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