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hey Alta Vista still exists. (sort of)
Alta Vista Web Search[^]
To err is human to really elephant it up you need a computer
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Wow, I haven't seen that one since the 90's 
Yahoo lost pretty much all of its market share over here.
They were pretty big with search, mail and news in ye olden days.
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What about Opera?
Bond
Keep all things as simple as possible, but no simpler. -said someone, somewhere
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What about it?
I still use Chrome, but my default search engine is now Ecosia.
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hmm, So Chrome worked its way to the top and now is the one that has the biggest target on its back. That is all articles like this are saying. Hey I want to take pot shots at the most used/biggest thing out there.
That being said there are other browsers. LOTS of other browsers. And this author only listed the big ones that everyone already knows about anyway. In the past 6 months I have tried out the following browsers
Chrome - Just works!
Opera - Works pretty Well
Old Edge - ummm you mean IE 12? It sort of worked.
IE11 - Needed for somethings avoid for all others.
New Edge - Actually pretty spiffy.
Brave - IT is a Brave new browser called Brave? It actually is worth checking out. I kind of like it.
FireFox - See Opera.
Sea Monkey - See Opera. only less so.
Tor Browser - HAHAHAHA Yes it works slowly. Not sure why you would unless you want to hide what you are searching for. Which would cut down on ads if you are willing to go that route all the time.
So all that being said. Who cares? Which one works for you use it.
To err is human to really elephant it up you need a computer
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rnbergren wrote: So Chrome worked its way to the top and now is the one that has the biggest target on its back. That is all articles like this are saying. Hey I want to take pot shots at the most used/biggest thing out there.
Exactly. It happened to IE, it happened to Firefox, now it's happening to Chrome. Welcome to the internet.
I'm old enough to remember when Firefox came out and people talked about it like it cured cancer. "Gah, IE is RUBBISH, use Firefox", that's all you read. Now it's "Gah, Firefox is RUBBISH, use Chrome" and so on. It also makes me laugh when I see these kids rubbish webforms, MVC is great, now MVC is rubbish and the next thing is great. I always tell them that in a few years time what they think is great now they will think it's rubbish. I guess one thing experience teaches you is that things don't "become rubbish", it's just that other things improve.
Meh.
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rnbergren wrote: Not sure why you would
Privacy. What else ? 
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Quote: Hey I want to take pot shots at the most used/biggest thing out there.
No, here is the part we "forget", and I believe THIS was the point of the article.
If you use google Chrome, they have ACCESS to every site, and EVERY password you have, whether you saved it or not (on the basis that they process the screen/html). So, they could certainly, grab/steal/store ALL of your details (and most probably do). Waiting for a hack to come through that exposes EVERYTHING about you.
But it gets worse. They have a political agenda, too. Maybe you are MILO or someone they despise. What do they know about you? Hmm, your bank, your username, your password, which IP addresses you come in from. [My bank ties my IP down, and requires special authorization to use from elsewhere], but if I use a VPN, and they know the company. THEN they just dial through that VPN, and come out the other end with full access?
We have way too much trust. I remember when the biggest issue was spam.
And I use 3 different browsers, including Brave.
Chrome is COMFY and basically works. But I don't do my banking on it!
Now imagine when you use a MFA key, using a google MFA APP. LMAO. Does that suddenly give you the creeps? Or worse, the QR code was DISPLAY by a chrome browser that recognized it was a QR code. And then knew the next 2 numbers you keyed in to authenticate the device.
Oh, are we soooo trusting... [don't worry, SSL/TLS promises us that ONLY GOOGLE/CHROME/BROWSER and YOU know the details. I only trust ME in that relationship].
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In the old days, when you complained to web site that their pages didn't display properly, the answer was plain: "Why don't you use IE6? It works perfectly with IE6!"
Nowadays, the answer is equally plain: "Why don't you use Chrome? It works perfectly with Chrome!"
I've had this answer from two different web sites, and from numerous friends and colleagues. When I reply "Yeah - just like with IE6!", those old enough to remember the browser wars turn to mumbling and their face gets a darker color. (The younger ones don't have a clue.)
I started using FF as an alternative to IE6. I keep on using FF as an alternative to Chrome.
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I started designing websites around 1998. Back then, I designed for 2 browsers - Internet Explorer and Netscape Navigator (and Firefox a few years later when it came out). What was frustrating back then is that I was a stickler for compliant HTML. Often things would work fine in Internet Explorer, but not in Navigator or Netscape. These situations usually involved some feature desired by the customer. The problem wasn't that IE was a better browser, it was almost always because Navigator and Netscape were code compliant whereas IE was more forgiving and would incorporate and allow features that used html code (or javascript) that W3C deemed non-compliant, often that were specific to only IE.
My choice - either design a non-compliant site to include requested features, or talk a client out of something that their mind was already made about and that they were paying for. You can guess what decision was made each time.
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Be Brave.
I've got tears in my ears from lying on my back and crying over her.
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I hate that chrome doesn't have a drop down arrow in the address bar for recently used sites as all other browsers do and have had since creation.
I use SeaMonkey for general purpose browsing as it has integrated Thunderbird with RSS support too. I still use pop3.
I find QBO and WooCommerce render best in chrome so I begrudgingly use it for those tasks.
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I switched to brave on Friday, entirely because of a Mozilla blog entry - We need more than deplatforming - The Mozilla Blog[^]
I don't need the web browser to pick/choose what I do/don't see.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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Thanks for pointing this out, though I doubt browsers will filter anything. It's the search engines that do that. But this is the second imbecilic thing I've read on this blog, so they only have one strike left.
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Thanks for the link. Looks like I'll be switching too.
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You don't want your web browser to expose the sources of advertising and make the web more transparent? You don't want to know when search results have been boosted by money instead of relevance?
Ok then, enjoy your bubble. Because that's all that article is talking about - not changing what you can or cannot see on the web, unless you dump "knowing how the sausage is made" into that pile.
Though I'll admit that the Brave people definitely have the right idea, just a pity it's Yet Another Chrome Derivative.
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If you say that getting the money
is the most important thing
You will spend your life
completely wasting your time
You will be doing things
you don't like doing
In order to go on living
That is, to go on doing things
you don't like doing
Which is stupid.
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I do not think there is good or bad or better or worse browsers. It is all a matter of personal taste in the end -yes, even if there are light differences in performance - so these articles are quite futile.
That said, Edge is really the worst browser ever, especially combined with Bing.
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When was the last time you used Edge? If you wanted the rendering experience of Chrome without the spying and backed by a company that can keep you regularly updated with security fixes and modern web standards (ie, bump their chromium dependency regularly), then Edge is a good choice.
Starts up faster than Chrome - probably because it's not packed full of stuff which has no place in a browser - like remote desktop sharing.
I run Gentoo on my main home machine (primary browser is Firefox), so I'm sometimes inclined to spelunk through sources. Firefox compressed source: 323mb vs Chromium compressed source: 817mb. Chromium is packed full of stuff like the aforementioned remote desktop code and heaps of other third-party stuff, on top of the built-in crapware. It's literally on my system as a backup browser for "is this site broken everywhere?". It takes around 6-8x longer to build.
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If you say that getting the money
is the most important thing
You will spend your life
completely wasting your time
You will be doing things
you don't like doing
In order to go on living
That is, to go on doing things
you don't like doing
Which is stupid.
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The Edge part was only a joke - I think it _really_ is a matter of taste.
Concerning Edge particularly, I am still suffering from the Internet Explorer experience, especially since I was forced to use it during many years because of company policies (which were probably legit from a company point of view), but it will take time to heal the wounds and I have not reached that point. So definitely a veto from my side for the moment.
Concerning spying, all web browsers are spying to some extent (there is no such thing as a free product), some more, some less, so this is sadly no point which I would consider to influence my choice.
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I feel you pain, having had to "fix" a site which only broke on IE6, many moons ago.
The sad part is that the engine Microsoft put in the original Edge was actually rather good -- whilst the version of IE at the time shared the same engine, they had a bunch of flags to make IE compatible with all the bugs in the past, which people had built internal software on. Microsoft has this constant tension between trying to keep as much backwards compatibility as possible and fixing stuff that's clearly broken: their official stance is to try to keep things alive and compatible as long as possible, since it's in the interests of their users (and, ultimately, themselves) that things continue to "Just Work". Windows is a great example: you can still run Win3.1 executables on it!
Sadly, they can never please everyone: for every person who is mad about, eg IE being rubbish, there are a bunch of corporates using some old system that requires the brokenness that's in IE ):
They only gave up on their own engines (Trident and Chakra) because it made more business sense to hitch their carts to an existing rendering & JS engine that has someone else spending time (read: money) on it, so they chose Chromium's renderer, but honestly have ripped out all the Chrome bs. Whilst I'm a Firefox person, I'd take Edge in a heartbeat over Chrome / Chromium / Brave. Microsoft has done a lot of turnaround since Ballmer left and Satya Nadella took the helm.
For the user, the loss of Trident and Chakra (the modern versions, which were, I re-iterate, Rather Good) is a bad thing: there are essentially only two contenders in the renderer space now: Chromium and Firefox. One could argue a case for Safari's webkit, I guess. Anyway, it means that we're edging closer to another "IE situation" where a dominant browser can start implementing things that aren't standards or implementing standards incorrectly and people assume that when it doesn't work on another browser, that other browser must be broken. Google has already taken quite a few stabs at this stance (Polymer / WebComponents being a good example: when they shifted YouTube to use WebComponents, which were non-standard, but natively supported by Chrome, all non-Chrome users got a rubbish YouTube experience and, naturally, blamed their browser).
On the spying front: there are free products (truly free), but they're scarce (all the software that I release for free is truly free, for example, not that I'm releasing browsers or anything useful like that!).
Mozilla does allow you to opt out of basically everything from the options page. I say "basically everything" because, eg, things like addon installs are still tracked (so you can rate & others can see install counts on the addons page). If I had to rank browsers based on how they respect the user, I'd definitely start with Firefox and then Edge. But to each their own. I don't expect to be a dark entity on the web, but if I can make the lives of the zuck-fairies a little harder, I'm all for it.
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If you say that getting the money
is the most important thing
You will spend your life
completely wasting your time
You will be doing things
you don't like doing
In order to go on living
That is, to go on doing things
you don't like doing
Which is stupid.
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Well, in my experience, Chrome indeed sucks. But overall, I do have a different order of preference to web browsers, as for me, in order it would be
1. Firefox (and on Windows, I use a lot a fork called Waterfox, as that allows to run some older add-ons, which don't exist since they changed their API, or the newer versions aren't as capable or easily usable as the old ones
2. Opera, though they are working hard on messing up this once great browser
3. Yeah, that would be Chrome, as the rest is even more atrocious...
4. through 10.no particular browser
11. Edge, I give them a little bit of credit for at least trying to create a better browser
12. Safari, it just stinks
13. Internet Exploder. No further comment necessary. And it wouldn't show up for me at all if there weren't some applications that require that old beast, because some custom ActiceX components won't run on Edge (a lot of security camera UIs are using those)
And there is all the rest...
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Thank you for the article. May I say I will only consider browsers which support Norton "Safe Search" unless there is another manner to provide the same security. In case you do not know Norton "Safe Search" informs re/ the safety of links provided by its search engine. I do not know how it is possible to utilize the web without such a benefit. Kind Regards Cheerios
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give me a break. chrome is the best browser.
maybe second to firefox. chrome syncs better. firefox uses less memory.
the author uses Edge, sooooooooooo - to me that means the author is insane.
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That's a really inconsistent shitpost. Ranting about Chrome being a memory hog is fine, but if you do that you need to acknowledge that reskinned Chromium browsers (ie Edge and Opera) also devour ram as if you have a few terabytes of the stuff.
And then...
Quote: Java is pre-installed (read: you don’t need java), flash crashes constantly.
... wait what!?!?!?!??! Is this rant recycled from 2010 or something? Java's been banned from Chrome since 2015 unless you're using a dumpsterfire like IEtab (in which case a) you installed it, and b) it's IE not chrome); and flash was a few weeks from being removed when that was written and had been effectively dead for several years before then.
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