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The devil is in de tail !
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Just got Herself back from the Thoracic Medicine department after a hour long exam / chat post her CAT scan, blood work, and lung function tests. And the good news is it isn't the Big C - it's "Long Covid" Interstitial Lung Disease (ILD) causing a thickening of the lungs and reducing oxygen take up. Which explains why her SATs are almost never in the 90s, and more often in the low 80s ... the X-Rays and CAT show loads of white lines throughout the lungs where the interstitial material has thickened considerably.
So the next bit is a "Bronchoscopy and Bronchoalveolar Lavage" (shove a camera into her lungs and wash'em out to see what is in there) in a few weeks, and a delivery of oxygen tanks tomorrow! Then we'll see if steroids can start to reverse the problem or not.
Looks like I got off pretty lightly - my Sats are 96~98 most of the time, and the dizzy spells seem to have worn off. Oh, and my hair seems to have stopped falling out!
This isn't "just a bad flu" - this really does damage to as many systems as it can ... 
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Yesterday I came across an article on the damage Covid-19 can do. It makes rather scary reading. Let's hope the NHS can fix, or at least improve, things for your good lady.
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It's like a "teenage boy" of a disease: it wants to breed and it doesn't really care what it does to get there. So it's found a "new club" full of "opportunities" and it's determined to sample them all ... while getting drunk on a half of shandy 
So far I can catalogue Covid hair, ear, eye, toes, and lung - but there is also heart, brain, kidney, nervous system, ...
It's not a pretty future.
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... and it can survive in the lungs of a dead person for at least 27 more days.
But 49% think it's all B.S. The thickness of it is staggering.
It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it.
― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food
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Gerry Schmitz wrote: The thickness of it is staggering.
With respect to those who think it's a rumor, we're rounding the corner, or there haven't been that many deaths . . . I explain them to you with a comment I've made before:
"There's No Cure for Stupid"
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No vaccination for it either.
"They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"
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Hear hear.
Tomorrow at 10pm the UK enters another lockdown and I can guarantee now the TV pictures of gangs of idiots filling the streets at 10:01 breaking every distancing rule there is.
Cos as we all know, this is a thing that only affects other people and every moron has an excuse why just one little rule breach by them is okay.
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OriginalGriff wrote: It's like a "teenage boy" of a disease
OK, so tell us what an "adult" of a disease would be like. 
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Civilized: wants to breed, sure - but not at the expense of killing or permanently damaging it's host.
We live with a lot of "adult diseases": they infect us, breed and infect others - but they do it with an eye to the long term, rather than just short term gain. Killing the host is a poor long term strategy compared to being able to reinfect him again next year!
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Mainly, though, so long as the host lives long enough (and is capable of when contagious) to spread to at least one more host then it will work out.
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I have read similar articles and yes, it is scary.
It almost seems that the after effects on the body (damage, etc.) are far worse then the actual infection period, when non-life threatening, of course.
modified 2-Nov-20 13:45pm.
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Yes, after the initial effects it seems more like Syphillis, and I can't think of few things worse.
It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it.
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Don't take this the wrong way, it isn't aimed at you personally, but at people not understanding what the flu is.
There is no such thing as "just the flu". The flu is something people die from.
It's also something you might get once or twice in a lifetime. What most people think is a flu is just a cold.
When my daughter was one week old she and my wife both got the flu (H3N2) and they both became hospitalized for a week.
While my daughter is fine nowadays, my wife was knocked out for months, and she still has the cough every winter since eight years now and probably has to live with it. Lung damage after the flu is normal.
1988 1989 I got the Flu (H1N1), and also went to hospital for two days.
Last year my father died from flu induced pneumonia. Well at least it was quick.
<edit>corrected year.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
Never stop dreaming - Freddie Kruger
modified 2-Nov-20 13:16pm.
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Well - admittedly, most people with the flu/cold dilemma don't go having themselves tested for precisely which one it is.
But the differences between the two are pretty easily enumerated (CDC)[^]
Now, once upon a time, dying from the flu was basically "death by natural causes" - certainly in my grandmother's generation this was true.
But your declaration - that the flu is something you get "once or twice in a lifetime" - on what basis do you make that declaration. You clearly do the alphabet soup (H3N2, H1N1, and there are others) and that should indicate to you that the flu live in variations and thus degrees of severity. Hell - there are currently, and have been for quite a while, other forms of COVID going around . . . typically mistaken for a cold.
The virulence of the flu varies a good deal on the sub-type[^]. The most common bad-actor subtypes are of the type A flu strains. Type B generally doesn't cause as much grief. Type C, comparatively uncommon, was also described as very mild.
Your experience with a couple of the bad ones, and sever reactions at that - by no means indicates that all the other flu cases were probably colds. Recheck the symptom chart: most people can tell how they fell lousy.
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I have had the flu (not cold virus) 8 times in my lifetime, confirmed, by a doctor. I have the medical records to prove it.
Now that I am an insulin dependent diabetic, I am more at risk for EVERYTHING in the ENTIRE universe, current, future, and make believe.
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Not sure where that 2-3 came from? Well, in a response, it was said that some physician told him so.
Fortunately, I don't have much faith in physician's, as a group.
One of my good ones proved his worth, or certainly enhanced it, when I asked a question related to his specialty and he replied "we don't know". In it's various forms, that phrase is apparently beaten out of medical students early in their schooling. It's the reason that real sciences progress much more rapidly and typically have better predictive capability.
I rate "medical science's" predictive capability at roughly the same level as meteorology.
The more I learned about diabetes, the more I realized how really sucky it is. Usually, not at first - but as you noted, it has many insidious effects. On top of that, there's the organ damage that goes on. Insulin helps control (at least slow) the progress and damage - but a cure for that is really needed. Maybe, after they sort out COVID, they can continue the extreme marshaling of resources and make some real and accelerated progress.
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W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote: Well - admittedly, most people with the flu/cold dilemma don't go having themselves tested for precisely which one it is.
It's done if you get hospitalized.
W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote: But your declaration - that the flu is something you get "once or twice in a lifetime"
That's from the doc when my daughter was sick, I suspect there might be some leeway on that number.
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Jörgen Andersson wrote: That's from the doc when my daughter was sick, I suspect there might be some leeway on that number.
Enough said.
I've found, unfortunately, the the competency of the medical community is "not on the rise". One good MD I had has recently retired - and the replacement I found has yet to impress me. We (myself & Mrs. Wife) have dumped quite a few of the nit-wit level and greedy level. In either case, unlike the mythical James Bond, these guys do have a license to kill. You know, that old line of how "Doctors bury their mistakes". I won't extend this to a tome, but the stories, even first-person, are aplenty.
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Sorry to hear that.
Hope your wife health will improve.
"In testa che avete, Signor di Ceprano?"
-- Rigoletto
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Thank the great Ghu Queensland closed its borders and went into lock down very early and yet some pollies, namely the Australian prime minister, wanted to open the borders months ago - idiot!
The worst I have had is the "man flu" - yeah a sniffly nose. Hope you get a good outcome.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity -
RAH
I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP
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Best wishes to you and your missus. I couldn't imagine the fear/anxiety of not being able to breathe properly. Like they say "nothing else matters when you can't breathe...". Today is my 1st day back at work after nearly 3 weeks of isolation. I was indeed very fortunate as my symptoms were very mild, and even more so that my wife and child didn't contract it.
Hope all turns out well. ![Rose | [Rose]](https://www.codeproject.com/script/Forums/Images/rose.gif)
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Best wishes to Mrs. OG - hopefully will recover very soon...
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Hope she gets well soon.
Best wishes for you both!
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I was reading this: A Preclinical safety study of thyroid hormone instilled into the lungs of healthy rats - an investigational therapy for ARDS. - ClinOwl[^] this morning and was thinking of you guys.
It's such an odd situation. I personally know about 5 people who have had it, but never saw them while they were actually ill. It's all around us but in an odd way, no where. Nowhere visible, that is. I don't even see people with the usual Autumn colds sniffling and sneezing.
I guess that's why there's a solid group of people who still feel it's all a hoax.
Anyway, an unusual year but I'm very, very glad you're both (more or less) on the mend and still here with us!
cheers
Chris Maunder
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