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Yeah... ok now. There's always one little angry dude on CP. Go run along now... go play by yourself. Nobody wants you...
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They cared about the details of your solution to some coding task? Yeah. Broken.
Coding questions filter out those who can't write a line of code to save their lives. Over the years I've found that filter to be quite handy.
But, for those who can code, the coding question is a forgettable formality.
It doesn't matter whether your code works well or is clever. You're just showing you can write code.
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Agreed. But anyway... gonna bow out of this thread and get back to work... we have a rouge post here filled with angst who's gonna ruin it for everyone.
Thanks for the response though. It's spot on.
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It is unfortunately, something that has never -not- been broken. Quite frankly, I don't see that there is a good solution to it either.
I have interviewed people for IT jobs of all kinds. Some of the candidates I have selected have been gems, others have been rancid sacks of smelly refuse. The problem for an interviewer, for even someone with a background in the area being interviewed for, is that you can have someone that looks great on paper, and even presents themselves well in interviews, but turns out to be completely ineffective on the job. On the other hand, you can have someone who would be perfect on the job, but doesn't present well. Of course, you also have the people that present well because they really are great on the job. You also have the ones that don't present well because they really aren't good.
So in the brief interactions you have with each candidate, how can you possibly determine which quadrant they fit into? It can't be done.
It is all the same as in school. There are those who endear themselves to the instructor, and seem to ace every test, but don't really know anything on the subject and couldn't apply it if they tried. Then there are those who just sit in the classroom and absorb the information almost by osmosis, understand it like it was second nature, can apply it, and in some cases even turn around and teach it to someone else; but barely scrapes by with a passing grade, and never seems to get on the instructors good graces. Sometimes there is that one kid that just struggles with everything and gets nowhere, until one day someone gives him the right help. Then suddenly it all clicks, and he gets it all and starts outperforming everyone else. When you sit in a room with these people on a daily basis, you eventually figure out who is who. You'd be hard up to identify them in the first day or two of class.
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Totally agree with you. You fail on how to build install a kitchen sink test, but no one in the company installs kitchen sinks. Yep been there.
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I win again! Yay!
Last chance tomorrow, before it reverts to ... @Peter-in-2780 ... 
A threesome - predict the French red wine upset enemies at the prow! (10)
A threesome
predict FORECAST
the French LE
red wine CLARET
upset (anag)
enemies FOES
at the prow! FORECASTLE Three clues in one: all the same solution!
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Thats tricky!
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Hah! You wait for tomorrows! 
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So, how much time it takes you to make it? I am sure these are your own creation.
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Yesterdays took a while - I thought of the word while drifting off to sleep, and "fleshed it out" during the period between the cat jumping up and down on my bladder because he wants his breakfast and my getting up - so about an hour or so of "thinking time"
Todays was about ten minutes.
Same process: think of a word, break it up, twist it about, think about synonyms ... and then nail it all together and hack off the bits that don't work.
Tomorrows? Well, version one was about ten minutes, including some Google research to check validity.
Version two just flowed together and was complete in sixty seconds or so.
If you are interested, version one - now discarded - was "First letter of the alphabet". Want to try and solve it?
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alpha? (First letter of the Greek alphabet and start of the word 'alphabet')
or t? (first letter of 'The alphabet')
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Nope: four letters.
Very close though: the Phoenician alphabet - Wikipedia[^] predates Greek (indeed, "alpha" is derived from the Phoenician "alep") and since before Phoenician all written material was hieroglyph based, it's first letter was the solution I wanted: ALEP - first letter of any alphabet
But you'd have to be a true word nerd to know that, and ALEP isn't an English word anyway, so I decided to go with something else entirely.
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OriginalGriff wrote: and ALEP isn't an English word anyway
And that's where Hebrew comes in handy
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Ah, the "threesome" was related to the three clues. I was desperately trying to find some connection to well, other meanings of "threesome" that could apply to naval types!
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There are other meanings? 
He said, whistling innocently ... 
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Well,
For what it's worth, I found forecastle about 20 minutes after you posted it. But I couldn't make it fit with "A threesome -" so I stayed silent. If you would have put that above or below the clue the solution would have been posted.
I spent about another 10 minutes looking at it and couldn't make "A threesome" work. Your clue also reads as Gameplayer with a gamay wine or Hyperreal with a syrah but they didn't really fit the definition so I folded and went on about my day.
Best Wishes,
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One of a number of sources I use to track medical information (much COVID lately, of course) is disclosing a shocking discovery[^].
The actually shocking part is that they didn't assume this to be the case when the bought them.
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I love the way all US systems depend on the lowest bidder for everything ...
Mind you, most UK systems are going much the same way. 
"If you pay peanuts, you will get monkeys".
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Actually, back when I was a federal employee, I not only experienced but learned to love it. I also so the down side, but not what you'd expect (per your post).
Conceptually, a request is made for some services (development, for example) with the criteria for each of several requirements that must be satisfied. This includes the bidders explanation as to how they will fulfill the criteria (their view) and how much the whole thing will cost. This then is given to a group of persons knowledgeable in the field to evaluate (a points system) the fulfillment proposals (no $ amounts given). Highest point value wins.
For a product already produced, then the lowest bid meeting the specs is the winner. There's also lists of certain vendors wherein no bidding is necessary (the GSA list).
Where does it really fail? Aside from cost-plus contracts (a super scam), I was on an evaluation committee and my vote did not agree with the other four evaluators as to the best option (the other's preferred HP - I saw a serious flaw). They next level up, the contracting officer, tried to pressure me to change my evaluation so it would be unanimous and thus couldn't be appealed (or far less likely, at least). I wouldn't. That was the last time I got to look at outside proposals (until a congressional inquiry from Sen John Glenn ended up in my hands - altogether another story.)
So that kind of nonsense can spoil the system.
On the other hand - "no bid contracts" are basic cronyism at its most blatant best. Like Halliburton when we charged headlong into Iraq. Just plain big money for the heavily oil-related company (VP Cheney was from the oil industry - coincidence). Case of Coca-Cola: $400.
Or go to the private sector: where I work now. They hired a new Director in IT - and guess who's "buddies" are working on a major new contract? Worst of all, we've gone this route before. Brother-in-laws, etc. And we always get F***ed. They do have a solution, I'll bet, to get rid of in-house IT and thus no one will tell them how badly they got F***ed.
As it turns out, when you wave a lot of money around, someone will do their best to take it from you. At least monkeys work for peanuts.
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I have been fortunate to have never worked in the public sector. I have extensive experience in the bidding process though, usually on the bidding side. I remember a few customers who awarded us the job(s) and then remarked, "you were actually the highest bidder but you were the only ones that demonstrated you knew what was going on." Then they stated they had gone with lowest bidders before and by the time they were done with the change orders and delays they didn't actually save anything, neither money nor time. In the end they were better off going with the best bid and that isn't always the lowest. I get the feeling one does not see that very often when government is involved.
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At least for this work, which was research, they had a bunch of us chemists and chemical engineers (and one physicist) evaluate the work. The points we gave for the requested criteria were the big deal to the contracting officers. They had a favorite, HP, and I wasn't going along.
The why: There proposal was very good in all aspects, except, one of the criteria was to do a literature search and then go from what is learned therein. They had that done, but when they went to the final criteria, they talked about doing the work on their own version. To me, this made the literature search superfluous and I therefore rated it poorly . . . and said why.
This was the US Dept of Energy. From my experience (a long time back), the only things where low-bid that meets all criteria is the dominant factor is more in the realm of tangible commodities, whether off the shelf or custom built.
One last thing: The expression "Close enough for government work" is true - but not at all for the reasons most people think. It had to do with a court case where the government wanted to reject the results. The company sued. Well, the judge ruled they were in "Substantial Compliance" and the government was forced to take them. That's how it came about: the private sector's the one who's doing a slap-shod job because they know the government will be stuck with it. This is stuff learned at a course I had to take since I might be called upon to be a tech representative at a contractor's site. I learned quite a few horrors that were forced upon the government by the courts. I won't enumerate them because I don't want to give anyone any ideas.
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Yep, looks like it. The UK bought 50 million masks and the NHS could not use them, as they were the wrong masks.
Admittedly this might not have been a cost saving measure, but a plain old blunder.
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Tired?
--- Drink some coffee.
Cold?
--- Drink some coffee.
Angry?
--- Throw the cup at somebody's head.
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It lets you do stupid things faster and with more energy. 
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Richard Deeming wrote: It lets you do stupid things faster and with more energy
Agile?
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