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Haha, I don't really care to leave a mark one way or another, to me that's just another way people deal with their fear of mortality.
"I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. "
— Hunter S. Thompson
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digital man wrote: wait till you meet someone. She wants kids: you'll want kids
I was exactly like that until my Dad sat down for a pint with me and pointed out that if we did have kids, we'd be close to retirement age before we got them out of the house for good. I went off the idea pretty quickly then. 
Pete
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Peter Mulholland wrote: if we did have kids, we'd be close to retirement age before we got them out of
the house for good.
So you were 20 years old?
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Me too - my debt load is quite small.
Minimalism has its perks: I make every weekend at least 2 1/2 days.
Jim Morrison (Doors) sang: ". . . you sell all of your hours for a handful of dimes . . ."
Balboos asks: 'How much would you sell an hour of your life for? The next one, not the last one. And how many are you prepared to sell.'
I deduced that my main problem was not being born rich.
| "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein | | "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert | | "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010 |
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W∴ Balboos wrote: I deduced that my main problem was not being born rich.
Failure to pick the proper parents is a common complaint in life.
People who whine about it and give up instead of making the best of what they did get are as pathetic as those who exaggerate a trivial disability to get on the dole and watch the drivel known as daytime tv every day. 
3x12=36
2x12=24
1x12=12
0x12=18
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My parents are amazing, when I was young they were tight in cash. Now they are doing very well, which my younger brothers did take advantage of. No complaints there, I think I actually am a harder worker because of this situation.
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No complaints about mine. they were and still are tight. My brother, one sister, and I all have taken the lessons to heart. My other sister remains at home remora like, virtually unemployed, living off Moms softheartedness. 
3x12=36
2x12=24
1x12=12
0x12=18
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wizardzz wrote: I don't borrow and I'm quite the anti-consumerist so it's not a big issue. I live like I did in college. For me it would be about having the time to pursue some ideas.
Spoken like a man without kids! 
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absolutely!
"I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. "
— Hunter S. Thompson
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Have you ever tried asking people how much was enough?
A (semi-?) recent study concluded that even millionaires usually "feel financially insecure, and would need about 1/3rd more to feel secure".
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Seriously, if I were to look at what I started at 5-6 years ago, I am making 250% that right now. I wasn't starving then, I just don't buy sh*t constantly. I don't even have a flat-screen tv, my personal computer is at least 4 years old, I pay for my vehicles with cash, I have never gone on vacation that wasn't a roadtrip, etc.
I don't like when people try to guilt me for saying many of us are paid fairly, but just have buying habits that are absurd.
"I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. "
— Hunter S. Thompson
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peterchen wrote: Have you ever tried asking people how much was enough?
No.
Enough, for me, is being able to pay my bills and raise my family comfortably and without being in debt. I'm sure it will be different for everyone - it would reflect their needs but there are very few people who can really survive without any money and we call the ones that do 'homeless'.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair.
nils illegitimus carborundum
me, me, me
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digital man wrote: we call the ones that do 'homeless'.
or depending on where you live, 'welfare recipients'
"I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. "
— Hunter S. Thompson
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Most people you ask are stumped by that question - especially if they are sure that they deserve more.
I agree that there's a level of income beyond which it's a hard struggle, and keeping you down. Then there's a level above which it's jsut a matter of needing a bit less than you get. And the two levers are very close together.
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In reality it's not just about how much you need to live on today: things happen in life for which money is required. The boiler needs replacing, your daughter gets married, you retire and try living on the state pension. Nothing is quite as simple as it first appears.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair.
nils illegitimus carborundum
me, me, me
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digital man wrote: In reality it's not just about how much you need to live on today: things happen
in life for which money is required
*shrug* In my book, these costs belong to the "what you need" part. If you have a bit more than you need, it's easy to get some saving to straighten out the randomness.
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I would certainly divide my salary by half to work half the hours I currently do... but your proposition is crazy! ...unless I also apply for the part-time job that gets advertised as a result 
If my jokes make me laugh, then I have already succeeded with 100% of my target audience
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musefan wrote: I would certainly divide my salary by half
I'd happily divide my salary by half and still work the hours i currently do.
Pete
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Full Salary / 0.5 ? Sounds good.
We are using Linux daily to UP our productivity - so UP yours!
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rastaVnuce wrote: We are using Linux daily to UP our productivity - so UP yours!
Who's "we"?
Pete
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Aargh - First post to apologise for voting when I actually wanted to go to page two.
Can anyone advise how to unvote or edit vote?
Ahh - that's better. A page refresh has sorted my woes.
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During the crisis we where forced to take each friday off for 9 months, but we still got 90% of our pay. The company I work for is what i think could be called a heavy industri, so the major savings where on having the factories closed for a day.
I wouldn't mid to have that again, work 80% (fridays off) and still get 90% of my salary (the extra 10% on the top is mostly taken by taxes). But to work 50% and get 50% payment, no I wouldnt'. But to actually cut back one day a week and get 80% of what I'm paid today would be good.
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I would definitely do the 80% for 90% of pay!
"I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. "
— Hunter S. Thompson
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I guess I would kind of look at it as an advance on retirement income.
I live well within my means, I put funds away for retirement, medical or employment emergencies. I would like to keep adding to them.
Although I’d take unpaid time off over unemployment.
It was broke, so I fixed it.
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I work 80% to 90% time by choice, making 80% to 90%. Worth every penny not earned, because I get to do other stuff I love.
I learned to live more within our means, couldn't do that before when I was single.
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