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All I had was a pager and the nearest phone box. I could not afford a mobile phone.
Mobile phones are for making and receiving calls and texts. Beyond that, the screen size is way too small for me. 
ed
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OriginalGriff wrote: Anyone else go back further?
Not for cellphone, no...
But in 1986 I was issued with a company (EDS) pager for overnight support. It seemed miraculous at the time - receiving instant messages whereever I was, with a little (16 character?) display. There were three of us on the project supporting a credit card processing application, with one each night on support and one on "backup" support. So that was four nights a week we were "on duty" with a pager. EDS being what it was, there was a strict "no drinking" rule whilst on duty; however the team often met socially after work. One night my colleague's pager went off, and it got "accidentally" dropped in his pint. When I got home about an hour later, mine (as backup) also went off. Fortunately the fix for the production issue was trivial and ops were able to resolve it without me dialling in (we also had a portable teletype unit and modem with acoustic coupler!), which by then was just as well... 
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Both actually, if you're interested in MS products.
The noise about Bluetooth had me thinking too ... but in terms of Windows.
My Google of "MSDN c# bluetooth file transfer" yielded virtually nothing worthwhile in the first x pages (note the use of MSDN which tends to (usually) surface better results).
The same query in Bing then yielded at #2: "Bluetooth RFCOMM"
Quote: This article provides an overview of Bluetooth RFCOMM in Universal Windows Platform (UWP) apps, along with example code on how to send or receive a file.
... "exactly" what I was looking for but was afraid to ask.
Subsequently querying Google on "uwp bluetooth rfcomm" yielded a swath of useful results.
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ChatGPT
cheers
Chris Maunder
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There is also DuckDuckGo.com[^]
"They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"
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... if you use it in a Web Backend implementation?
Does the front end then needs to have to display all these packages anywhere?
Or is it enough to have a license text file on the server? 
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First of course read it and understand it.
And there is no such thing as "MIT License" legally. You need to get the text of the exact license. I suggest also that you do the following for each library
1. Document where you got the library - the url
2. Document the date when you got it.
3. Document, in text, where you pulled the license from.
4. Copy that license. Definitely do not rely on the original url (#1) to find the license in the future.
5. Do NOT automate pulling new versions. They can change the license anytime they want.
If you are concerned about your understanding (not whoever posts here) then you should hire a lawyer with experience in Software.
0x01AA wrote: Does the front end then needs to have to display all these packages anywhere?
I looked at the following and then read what it says about X11 (a version). That is limited to the following
1. That version
2. That what is posted there is correct.
3. My understanding.
MIT License - Wikipedia[^]
Based on that it says nothing at all about maintaining the copyright (other licenses do that) in any form.
Rather it tells you that you cannot use the copyright notice at all. So the exact opposite of what you are suggesting. It should not be in the web pages and it should not be in the backend either.
This terminology is to insure that you (or someone else) cannot attempt to copyright the original library code yourself and thus keep others from using it.
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First of all, thank you very much for your answer.
A lot of material which I have to process first.
For the wiki: No, sorry, I would never trust a wiki publication regarding to legal stuff.
Thanks again.
[Edit]
An example which bothers me:
MIT License
Copyright (c) 2020 'by xyz'
Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining a copy
of this software and associated documentation files (the "Software"), to deal
in the Software without restriction, including without limitation the rights
to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, sublicense, and/or sell
copies of the Software, and to permit persons to whom the Software is
furnished to do so, subject to the following conditions:
The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in all
copies or substantial portions of the Software.
THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS", WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR
IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY,
FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NONINFRINGEMENT. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE
AUTHORS OR COPYRIGHT HOLDERS BE LIABLE FOR ANY CLAIM, DAMAGES OR OTHER
LIABILITY, WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF CONTRACT, TORT OR OTHERWISE, ARISING FROM,
OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE SOFTWARE OR THE USE OR OTHER DEALINGS IN THE
SOFTWARE.
modified 3-Apr-23 13:28pm.
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0x01AA wrote: An example which bothers me:
However that is only part of the license...so if you do the following to the library itself...
without limitation the rights
to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, sublicense, and/or sell
copies of the Software
Then that software (the code in the library itself) and only that software...
The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in all
copies or substantial portions of the Software.
It has nothing to do with the rest of your application. Not the code and not what your code displays.
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Your understanding is wrong.
"You cannot use the copyright notice", as you frame it, basically means you can't copy-paste the copyright notice of someone else, with someone else's name on it, for your own work. You need your own license for your own work, and that license can also be MIT-X11 if you choose so.
That being said, you need to keep the original work and the original license together.
If you use a library under MIT-X11 on the backend, you need to provide the license on the backend as well.
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MIT-X11 is a permissive license.
Simplified, you keep the original code as-is, and you make sure to keep the license text and the code together.
If you've used the code in a project with a package manager, the license text is included automatically.
If you've downloaded the code from GitHub, just don't delete the license.
If the code is deployed on the backend, you need the license somewhere on the backend as well.
Additionally:
If you modify the original work, you cannot slap a new license on the entire thing and say it's your work now.
If you build something with it or change something, you can license your stuff however you want.
If something explodes, you can't sue the license holder of the original work for damages.
Pretty much all permissive licenses are like this, with the exception that some licenses require you to also communicate bugfixes and new features inside the original work to the original author. MIT-X11 does not requires this, but L-GPTL does, for example.
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Thank you very much
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Does anyone know if there is a free desktop chat client that will talk to Teams?
There is no way I'm paying them $50/year to use their junk.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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Well, there is Microsoft Teams (free)[^] which is what I switched to when they announced that Teams Classic (free) was closing.
Seems to work fine, but it doesn't import your contacts or settings, probably to persuade you to pay.
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Oh Microsoft, you so silly. That will be fine. They kept popping up the non-free one with no mention of the renamed version. Microsoft Marketing - driving people mad since 1985.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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charlieg wrote: to use their junk.
So why use it at all?
If your clients use it then, regardless of your feelings, then you must use it. And the cost is a business expense. Or even something you can bill them for (each client actually.)
If it is a company thing then the company should be paying for it.
If friends/family then of course you could just stop talking to them.
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Well true, but sometimes I'm talking to past coworkers whose company has drunk the Kool-Aid.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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Think that still leaves you with...they are not worth $50 or that they are.
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Does anyone actually use .NET 7 with <Nullable>enable</Nullable>? I find this option makes life such a PITA that I always go into the .csproj file and disable it. The warnings are non-stop:
Non-nullable property 'foo' must contain a non-null value when exiting constructor. Consider declaring the property as nullable
Converting null literal or possible null value to non-nullable type.
Dereference of a possibly null reference.
Possible null reference assignment.
Nullable value type may be null. And that's just a partial list, I believe.
And that last one, "Nullable value type may be null" is the most amusing one.
Seriously, if you have the "Nullable" option enabled, do you actually fix all those warning?
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I'm fairly sure this setting is just a reaction to new(er) languages like Swift (iOS) and Kotlin (android).
Both of those languages use the idea that nothing is really nullable by default.
In Swift they call these Optionals and you have to indicate in a special way that the object may contain a null (actually nil in Swift).
So, for example, if you define an Optional variable you have to define it like:
var dataConnection: MyData!
That ! marks the type as Optional (meaning it may contain a real value or a nil).
If you don't add that ! then you must supply a value for the variable immediately -- in an effort to insure you aren't using vars that contain nil without them being initialized.
This states at the outset that this variable may be nil and there is a lot of protection around the variable so it's not as easy to accidentally set it to nil.
All of this, as you mention also, really creates a bit more work.
Anyways, I believe the setting in C# is now just a reaction to that and may be a precursor of things to come in C# world.
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I worked in Kotlin a while back and it was considered bad form to use !
Everything that could potentially be null had to be handled to return a non-null value - just one of the things I disliked about Kotlin 
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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GuyThiebaut wrote: I worked in Kotlin a while back and it was considered bad form to use !
Yes, in Kotlin when you use ! it means, "it may be null, but I don't care, go ahead and force it"
So it yells at you all the time.
These new languages will definitely switch your thinking if you've been programming and are used to null.
We use null as a value like false so often and then suddenly (supposedly) nothing is ever null.
It's an odd thing. It's all more like having training wheels on than anything. 
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I just never use nullable types. Or .net beyond 4.8 (I think).
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