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I've read some product reviews, and googled "Sager sucks" and the standard mess, but I don't trust random Internet reviews that much.
I hear the main drawback of them is the trackpad, the noise when gaming, and they are heavy.
Pro is ostensibly built like a tank and a lot of computer for the money.
I have some faith in the community here so I'm wondering if any of you have owned a Sager laptop in recent years and can offer your opinion.
Just for context, I plan on mostly using it as a second (linux) PC, but I also plan to use it when I visit my sister, for things like gaming with her.
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I found the USB's a bit unreliable, constant 'Dunk, Dunk'...
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honey the codewitch wrote: I hear the main drawback of them is the trackpad, the noise when gaming, and they are heavy.
For this kind of money have you considered XPS-17? It's using the fans only on really heavy loads and it's relatively quiet. Also, XPS is very stylish and can be used as a workhorse. You cannot show up in an office with a bulky gaming laptop and sill look professional.
The only downside is that the XPS is with RTX 4070 and Sager with 4080 because the latter has 12MB memory that can make a difference for some unoptimized games.
Edit: Scratch that, just checked and the last gen XPS can be configured with 4080.
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It's got an i7 which has the worst performance per watt of any of the high end 13gen intels. I've been trying to avoid it. I might be able to work with a 4070 since I only play Fallout 4 (a lot), and GTA V (very occasionally) but, I want this system to last a number of years. I don't intend to travel a lot with it, and I don't care about looks. I do like that it has an i9 and a 4080. My desktop has the i5k of that gen which matches it in single core perf. It would be nice to know I can run any of my stuff with relatively similar specs on both machines.
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I edited my post - you can have i9 and 4080 but it doesn't matter. If you don't travel a dedicated gaming laptop like Sager(or Alienware) will have a better cooling. And you probably already know this, but when compared to a desktop the "mobile" RTX 4080 will barely match the performance of a desktop RTX 3080 (which is still impressive).
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Forgive me, I knew there would be a performance loss for mobile, but a whole generation? I'm suspicious  especially considering what a leap the new architecture is compared to the old. I'm not sure about the 4070 and lower but the architecture on the 4080 and 4090 is just stellar. The 4080 in particular is 325 watts or so while the 3080 is 300 so I find it a little hard to believe they'd have comparable performance given the architecture differences at roughly the same power. I expect a much better performance per watt from the 4 series, if they are *anything* like the desktop cards - by which I mean the same GPU architecture.
Edit: Even if you're right, I won't be playing at 4k on mobile so the mobile 4080 should be fine. 
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Your limiting factor is the power and the memory, not the architecture. In a laptop you are getting the same performance as the previous generation but using half of the power. Which as I said is impressive. For the particular numbers check some reviews and benchmarks on youtube - you will get a better idea what to expect. And yes - laptop's 4080 will be fine for a verry long time.
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Thanks. I'll hunt around and see what I can see.
Edit: This was illuminating
4080 mobile vs 3080 desktop[^]
Overall, you were right. I stand corrected.
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Contagion?
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