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Hi All,
I have just walked past a proper  moment. A teams meeting between 5 people sat in the office, two next to each other. I know Teams meetings are the norm now but come on a meeting room ![Java | [Coffee]](https://codeproject.global.ssl.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/coffee.gif) , biscuits & white board is how I have always designed my most successful products that way. I suppose the only thing could be record of the meeting from the look of it wasn't being recorded... "Working from home" carried into the office?
Glenn
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The new norm of laziness if all are in the same office.
Graeme
"I fear not the man who has practiced ten thousand kicks one time, but I fear the man that has practiced one kick ten thousand times!" - Bruce Lee
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A very long time ago there was a story about a manager and an engineer both working on a Saturday. They kept emailing back and forth until the engineer just got up and walked 20 feet into the manager's office.
Yeah, the Teams thing is getting absurd.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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I believe that it was in 1983 (maybe 1984) when a co-worker down the corridor sent me an email, asking if we should go to the movies that night. When I asked why he didn't come to my office to ask, he didn't see the point: Using email, he could ask me without leaving his desk.
That was 40 years ago. Maybe we shouldn't complain about kids today being lazy.
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So it's not new? the forum has changed though.
modified 4-Jul-23 14:35pm.
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Laziness is laziness. Lazy people will try anything to put out minimal effort.
And, having said that, I work very hard at being lazy--but I call it being efficient.
(Thinking is the hardest work a person can do.)
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When I was in college, back when most folks had to go to the computer lab to get on a computer, I was early to class and talking with a girl who was also early. Another girl came in and said, "I just sent you an email." The first girl got up and jogged down to the computer lab. When she came back she said, "I sent you a reply." The second girl then got up and jogged down to the computer lab to read it.
Maybe its not laziness, maybe its just stupidity.
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Well I suspect then it was the novelty.
But could also be because they didn't want to discuss something in front of you.
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Email, texting, online chat.
All the same in that I can defer responding. If the person is in my face I have to respond right then regardless of what I am doing.
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Not sure I agree. If I get up and walk a few metres to another office I am assuming that what I want to talk about is more important than what the other person is doing and and that I am entitled to interrupt. If I send an email I am saying "there is a question here for when you are ready to deal with it".
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Lemme guess, on top of that, they initially went through 20 minutes of connectivity issues...
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I use it to share my screen even when in the same room.
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I guess it's the hassle of having to connect to a projector to share your screen which everyone and having to wait on people to arrive that makes it less appealing than a simple teams meeting. But yeah it boils down to being lazy. 
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I hate it, specially because I hear people in the room twice (real sound and headsets).
If I am in a meeting with more people and someone is in the same room, I change the room.
If all are in the same room, I just tell them to come over to my desk and if anyone else is going to share the screen and talk the most time, then I change the room.
M.D.V. 
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Nelek wrote: because I hear people in the room twice (real sound and headsets).
???
You know you know that everyone can mute right? And still share the screen?
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Mute usually is for the whole meeting, and sometimes there are people outside the office. Or do you mean a local mute?
Additionally, I hear them twice, but I here them better in the headset (ambient noise / other people, if we are all there we are 14 in the same office)
M.D.V.
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I am guessing that you mean that some people are in a conference room and other people are remote. Then the problem shows up.
No I do not see the point of being in a conference room in that case. There are interactions/processes that one might do in a in person meeting which do not work if there are remote attendees. And people in a room tend to engage in those because they are in the room. So the organizer should not attempt to do it in a conference room.
For that I am referring to a working meeting rather than for example a company meeting. For the latter the format of the meeting is fixed (or should be) and there should be presenters. A working meeting should represent a relatively free flow of ideas.
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We are not in a conference room, we are in our desks at office. And two or three people in the meeting are in the same room than me (at their desks, and me at mine)
M.D.V.
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Nelek wrote: are in the same room than me (at their desks, and me at mine)
Ah...didn't think of that.
Are they cubes or just desks?
With low cubes I have had some meetings like that but often with actual attendees not normally next to each other. Those were just status meetings. I think for long design meetings I would then request a conference room in that case.
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jschell wrote: Are they cubes or just desks?
Desks with a mini wall between the other desk in front, but not to the sides.
M.D.V. 
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Err...that isn't a desk.
It is a table.
Sort of like having a holiday dinner. Food on table is between you and the person across from you but besides you is the obnoxious uncle that keeps elbowing you.
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luckily behind me is wall
M.D.V.
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Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
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Someone just needs to bring the biscuits and coffee. They're out of practice, and some are so shiny new that they know no other way. They need a mentor, that's all.
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why have meetings in the first place.. i thought AI replaced all the coders
Caveat Emptor.
"Progress doesn't come from early risers – progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things." Lazarus Long
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