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The Raspberry Pis have come a long way since they were first released, but I'm still gobsmacked that I've just installed VSCode, pulled the repo for CodeProject.AI server, run the installer which has installed 2 different versions of Python, plus PyTorch, ONNX, Torchvision and a bunch of other AI toolkits, then installed .NET 7, built the full solution, launched the server, and ran some AI inference within a VS Code debug session.
On a Raspberry Pi.
I know my phone, which is smaller, is about a kagillion times more powerful and would do all of this without getting out of bed, but that's a $1,500 device. What I'm using is worth about $50.
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Chris Maunder
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cool
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LOL
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Chris Maunder wrote: but that's a $1,500 device
I would not be surprised if your phone was really worth a couple hundred dollars in parts, if that, the rest markup for profit.
A side note, I am reading that the Raspberry Pi market is improving some, now -- just before the holiday season. 
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I can't believe I'm biting, but WTH...
Slacker007 wrote: the rest markup for profit
I'm assuming when you say "worth a couple hundred" you mean "costs a couple hundred to make". It's "worth" what the market will bear, but the costs to produce is evidently $501 (and I was talking Canadian $, not US, sp adjust).
That 'cost' means 'to make it'. It has nothing to do with research and development, shipping, design, marketing, legal, all the sales costs, insurance, and everything else that goes into taking a product from design to the pocket of a consumer.
I may seem a little defensive here, but I do get annoyed when people think that a company should take risks, pay their rent, handle all the paperwork governments and suppliers throw at them, pay salaries, and get the product into the hands of their customers for the cost of building the product. The 'build' (or write, or perform, or whatever) can be the smallest part of the overall cost of taking an idea to reality. The hidden costs, the stress, the overheads, the margins added by suppliers or resellers at every single step along the process should never, ever be dismissed.
Running a business is really, really hard. Keeping it profitable so you have the space to innovate and not be spending your days foraging to survive is even harder.
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Chris Maunder
modified 15-Dec-22 8:40am.
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I wasn't trolling you Chris. Not sure why you so mad.
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He's just setting the record straight.
Jeremy Falcon
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Me? Mad? Not at all. I'm just tapping into a lot of deep seated pricing stress built in over the last 23 years 
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Chris Maunder
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I have this discussion with my wife every time we go out for a meal (which isn't very often!  ). She looks at the menu prices and says "there's only £1.65 of food in that!" and I have to explain that they've also rented the restaurant, paid rates, energy bills, insurance, paid all the staff, bought the cookers, fridges, tables, cutlery, lightbulbs, done all the cleaning, and a trillion other things. When you buy a meal out, you're not buying food. You're buying the cost of running a business. Ditto with hardware, as you rightly point out. 
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Chris Maunder wrote: Running a business is really, really hard. Keeping it profitable so you have the space to innovate and not be spending your days foraging to survive is even harder.
...but are you not talking about a company that is worth over 2 TRILLION dollars?
If they feel the need to justify their price points, let them.
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They are impressive little machines.
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the price the scalper sell 8 gb one you can get an refurb laptop and run many things....u have a 1500 phone !!!????
Caveat Emptor.
"Progress doesn't come from early risers – progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things." Lazarus Long
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The way prices are going at the moment, that'll be "Bottom of the range" pricing by the end of next year!
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Prices have come way down. I got a Pi 400 for about $100
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Chris Maunder
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Yup, did that a while back.Timing a little slow but works. The unfortunate thing is availability. No one has them but people scalping them. The only models I see listed on the regular sites are the Pico's, wireless is $6. Maybe next year. I have 2 of the version 4's, with 4GB. One is a web server with home movies. The other still has CP-AI docker.
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Some days the dragon wins. Suck it up.
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Pi's are awesome. They have competition SBCs that are a bit faster, but the Pi community is second to none. Toss a SSD on one and run it off that and they're pretty good single-user servers.
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