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OriginalGriff14-Dec-22 23:08

14-Dec-22 23:08

I'm busy - you do it! Laugh | :laugh:

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pkfox14-Dec-22 23:16

pkfox

14-Dec-22 23:16

I don't know how to

Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming “Wow! What a Ride!" - Hunter S Thompson - RIP

OriginalGriff15-Dec-22 0:17

15-Dec-22 0:17

What do you want me to do, write an article on it? Laugh | :laugh:

pkfox15-Dec-22 0:19

pkfox

15-Dec-22 0:19

Yes

seriously though do you just prefix the username with @ and an email will be sent ?

OriginalGriff15-Dec-22 0:43

15-Dec-22 0:43

~~Yep!~~

OriginalGriff15-Dec-22 0:46

Did someone catch the license # of that CPU?

15-Dec-22 0:46

Scratch that, it's slightly more complicated - the username can change, but the addressing doesn't.

So your username is "pkfox", but your address is "@" followed by "petepjksolutionscom"

If you go to the user home page, the text you want is under the "username - Professional Profile" bit.

honey the codewitch14-Dec-22 20:01

honey the codewitch

14-Dec-22 20:01

It took me all day to get back where I started - a working development machine. Same chassis, all new innards, moved away from my brief tryst with AMD back to an Intel monster. In this case I went from a 65W Ryzen 7 4750G which I thought was plenty fast to a screaming 125W i5-13600K with a mobo to match it. My RAM went from budget rate DDR4 to top shelf DDR5-6000 CL 32

"Aggressive" is the word I'd use to describe this little i5. It clearly feels it has something to prove, because in single core performance it swings pretty close to what an i9-13900k does. Can recommend this CPU to the exclusion of others in the latest Intel lineup if you want top shelf performance on air cooled and without breaking the bank.

My system drive went from middle of the road last gen NVMe to something about 3 times as fast, a Samsung 990 Pro.

I still haven't overclocked the CPU.

I can't find reliable benchmark software that I like, so I "benched" it by turning off vsync and launching Fallout 4.

Prior to this upgrade, it would struggle at 4k to get 60FPS. It mostly did, but would often dip into the 50s.

After the upgrade I get between 120fps and 150fps with no vsync. Same video card, mind you - a 2080TI

I did this for compile speeds, so upgrading the GPU didn't matter.

But reading and writing files at 7GB/s sure does.

I love that new PC smell you know?

Now just ignore that my old fans are dying and my HDD is physically rattling at this point. Move along, nothing to see here. My machine is NICE! pay no attention to the smoking parts. $Shucks | :-\$

To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.

Daniel Smith 202215-Dec-22 2:35

Daniel Smith 2022

15-Dec-22 2:35

Thank you for this information.

Daniel Pfeffer15-Dec-22 4:12

Daniel Pfeffer

15-Dec-22 4:12

Enjoy.

I would ask how much of your development time is actually spent compiling (as opposed to writing code, tracing through the debugger, etc.)? Is the speedup really worth the money?

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honey the codewitch15-Dec-22 4:40

honey the codewitch

15-Dec-22 4:40

I mean, no? But that's not why I did it. It was a matter of this: I pay taxes on this money I don't really need to have, or I get a faster machine, give my sister a faster machine, and save myself the aggravation of waiting. Waiting in general I mean. For anything. This computer takes longer to post than to boot.

To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.

BernardIE531715-Dec-22 8:17

BernardIE5317

15-Dec-22 8:17

May I please inquire the boot time . I am also upgrading my 🐷 of a machine . From AMD A6-9225 to intel i7-6700 from HD to PCIe SSD both had/have DDR4 16GB . The new machine will arrive in a few days . If i it had originally i assume my current project would have been completed long ago as i find myself waiting waiting waiting for builds to complete which i am tired of doing . The boot time of my current 🐽 prior to a recent upgrade to from HD to SATA SSD was measured w/ a calendar .

honey the codewitch15-Dec-22 8:42

honey the codewitch

15-Dec-22 8:42

It varies. The first time it took over a minute. I actually thought it wasn't posting.

Now it takes long enough that my monitor (which is a large 4k TV) will go into "scan" mode because it's not getting a signal. Or at least it did until i hard set it to PC.

I haven't timed it specifically, but my windows boot time is near instant.

I'm on a Samsung 990 Pro NVMe stick, which is the fastest system drive i could find.

I'm also on DDR5-6000 CL32 which is more than a standard Intel CPU can handle (you need an unlocked chip to go above 5600)

That probably helps. =)

To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.

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jmaida14-Dec-22 16:54

jmaida

14-Dec-22 16:54

#Worldle #327 1/6 (100%)
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easy one

"A little time, a little trouble, your better day"
Badfinger

Mind officially blown

Chris Maunder14-Dec-22 16:47

Chris Maunder

14-Dec-22 16:47

The Raspberry Pis have come a long way since they were first released, but I'm still gobsmacked that I've just installed VSCode, pulled the repo for CodeProject.AI server, run the installer which has installed 2 different versions of Python, plus PyTorch, ONNX, Torchvision and a bunch of other AI toolkits, then installed .NET 7, built the full solution, launched the server, and ran some AI inference within a VS Code debug session.

On a Raspberry Pi.

I know my phone, which is smaller, is about a kagillion times more powerful and would do all of this without getting out of bed, but that's a $1,500 device. What I'm using is worth about $50.

cheers
Chris Maunder

jmaida14-Dec-22 16:55

jmaida

14-Dec-22 16:55

cool

"A little time, a little trouble, your better day"
Badfinger

PIEBALDconsult14-Dec-22 17:02

PIEBALDconsult

14-Dec-22 17:02

Canadian?

jmaida14-Dec-22 17:08

jmaida

14-Dec-22 17:08

LOL

"A little time, a little trouble, your better day"
Badfinger

Slacker00714-Dec-22 18:23

Slacker007

14-Dec-22 18:23

Chris Maunder wrote:
but that's a $1,500 device

I would not be surprised if your phone was really worth a couple hundred dollars in parts, if that, the rest markup for profit.

A side note, I am reading that the Raspberry Pi market is improving some, now -- just before the holiday season. D'Oh! | :doh:

Chris Maunder15-Dec-22 2:34

Chris Maunder

15-Dec-22 2:34

I can't believe I'm biting, but WTH...

Slacker007 wrote:
the rest markup for profit

I'm assuming when you say "worth a couple hundred" you mean "costs a couple hundred to make". It's "worth" what the market will bear, but the costs to produce is evidently $501 (and I was talking Canadian $, not US, sp adjust).

That 'cost' means 'to make it'. It has nothing to do with research and development, shipping, design, marketing, legal, all the sales costs, insurance, and everything else that goes into taking a product from design to the pocket of a consumer.

I may seem a little defensive here, but I do get annoyed when people think that a company should take risks, pay their rent, handle all the paperwork governments and suppliers throw at them, pay salaries, and get the product into the hands of their customers for the cost of building the product. The 'build' (or write, or perform, or whatever) can be the smallest part of the overall cost of taking an idea to reality. The hidden costs, the stress, the overheads, the margins added by suppliers or resellers at every single step along the process should never, ever be dismissed.

Running a business is really, really hard. Keeping it profitable so you have the space to innovate and not be spending your days foraging to survive is even harder.

cheers
Chris Maunder

modified 15-Dec-22 8:40am.

Slacker00715-Dec-22 4:14

Slacker007

15-Dec-22 4:14

I wasn't trolling you Chris. Not sure why you so mad.

Jeremy Falcon15-Dec-22 8:13

Jeremy Falcon

15-Dec-22 8:13

He's just setting the record straight.

Jeremy Falcon

Chris Maunder15-Dec-22 11:27

Chris Maunder

15-Dec-22 11:27

Me? Mad? Not at all. I'm just tapping into a lot of deep seated pricing stress built in over the last 23 years Wink | ;)

cheers
Chris Maunder

DerekT-P15-Dec-22 6:39

DerekT-P

15-Dec-22 6:39

I have this discussion with my wife every time we go out for a meal (which isn't very often! Laugh | :laugh:

). She looks at the menu prices and says "there's only £1.65 of food in that!" and I have to explain that they've also rented the restaurant, paid rates, energy bills, insurance, paid all the staff, bought the cookers, fridges, tables, cutlery, lightbulbs, done all the cleaning, and a trillion other things. When you buy a meal out, you're not buying food. You're buying the cost of running a business. Ditto with hardware, as you rightly point out. Smile | :)

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dandy7218-Dec-22 4:23

dandy72

18-Dec-22 4:23

Chris Maunder wrote:
Running a business is really, really hard. Keeping it profitable so you have the space to innovate and not be spending your days foraging to survive is even harder.

...but are you not talking about a company that is worth over 2 TRILLION dollars?

If they feel the need to justify their price points, let them.