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Jo_vb.net31-Mar-23 5:20

Jo_vb.net

31-Mar-23 5:20

In the past "Jira" was only used for software projects but now it seems established in non-technical areas of many companies.

englebart30-Mar-23 16:11

englebart

30-Mar-23 16:11

I used OpenProject a few years back. It was MS Project compatible.

This might be the same product:
OpenProject - Open Source Project Management Software

Roger Wright30-Mar-23 18:56

30-Mar-23 18:56

That's an interesting, and affordable product! A lot of it is targeted at software development - KANBAN, AGILE, and SCRUM would be functionally useless for a utility scale power generation facility, but a lot of its other capabilities looks great. Thanks for the suggestion!

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Jörgen Andersson30-Mar-23 20:22

Jörgen Andersson

30-Mar-23 20:22

Agile and scrum I understand, but why would Kanban be useless?
It's basically an organized wall of post-it notes.
Toyota developed it to keep track on stock, but it should probably be considered a workflow management system.
The good part, and this is where most systems fail, is that anyone can understand it.

Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

Roger Wright31-Mar-23 3:17

31-Mar-23 3:17

Jörgen Andersson wrote:
The good part, and this is where most systems fail, is that anyone can understand it.

I certainly like that part!

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peterkmx31-Mar-23 5:13

peterkmx

31-Mar-23 5:13

Thanks... This OpenProject looks interesting, it supports Gantt Chart in the free version.
I will give it a try - I am curious how it compares to JIRA Software ...

Gerry Schmitz30-Mar-23 16:32

Gerry Schmitz

30-Mar-23 16:32

I've used MS Project and some others. I got it / them all to do what I wanted (plant scheduling; software; capital budgeting; pipelines). They all do it a bit different; you improvise; a resource is a resource. There are legitimate sources of discounted licenses for MS Project; and it's a business expense.

If you program, it also means you can access its object model (MS Project); export / import Excel, Access; etc.

"Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I

Roger Wright30-Mar-23 18:58

30-Mar-23 18:58

I gave up trying to use it around 2008 - more time spent maintaining it than doing actual work. But for a top level tool, it just might work, especially if MS has made any actual effort to make it useful. Thanks for the suggestion!

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raddevus30-Mar-23 17:05

raddevus

30-Mar-23 17:05

Basecamp: Project management software, online collaboration[^]
Basecamp puts everything you need together and makes it much easier to use
There’s a free trial so you can see if it’ll work for your purposes

Roger Wright30-Mar-23 19:18

30-Mar-23 19:18

Cool product, raddevus, but it's really directed at software/CRM type stuff. I don't see a way to manage tasks like, allocate budget and track RFPs for 200 MVA solar panel acquisition, order and install N x 100MVAh LiPFe battery banks and charge controllers, Develop and submit Environmental Impact Statements and schedule Cultural and Archeological surveys, design/build 80 miles of 230kV transmission lines, conduct System Failure Modes and Effects Analysis (FMEA) and provide 20 year spares stock to support future maintenance, and a few other small tasks. Once upon a time (1988), a company called Harvard Graphics made a product called Project Manager 3.0, IIRC, that could do all of this. No one since has been able to come close, so far as I know. If you'd like to tackle the project to replicate those capabilities on modern platforms, I think I can guarantee you a comfy retirement. No one else is doing it, and I'm not a very good programmer. Go for it!

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CHill6031-Mar-23 1:37

CHill60

31-Mar-23 1:37

Things we looked at for minimum spend - no budget allocated to us for this sort of thing so "minium" meant "free"

Trello (premium is not free)
Monday.com (not free)
Microsoft Planner
Miro (big whiteboard with Addons, really only works for one project)
Mural (free version may not be secure, really only works for one project)
Confluence (only free for up to 10 people)

We opted for MS Planner in the end

Roger Wright31-Mar-23 3:19

31-Mar-23 3:19

Thanks for those suggestions! I've looked at a couple of them, but not MS Planner. I'll check it out!

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Nelek31-Mar-23 2:17

Nelek

31-Mar-23 2:17

I haven't used much yet, but what I could see from MindManager was not that bad. Around 400$ to buy the pro version... and a 30 days trial to test before... maybe worth to check?

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Roger Wright31-Mar-23 3:20

quantum music of the week

31-Mar-23 3:20

I haven't heard of that one; thanks! I'll check it out!

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BernardIE531730-Mar-23 13:18

BernardIE5317

30-Mar-23 13:18

Quantum melodies: the intersection of music and quantum physics – Physics World[^]
and
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Re: quantum music of the week

peterkmx31-Mar-23 9:01

peterkmx

31-Mar-23 9:01

Some nice sounds indeed ... Thumbs Up | :thumbsup:

but, most of the time the podcast is talking.
This inspires me to search for more, thanks ... Smile | :)

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jmaida30-Mar-23 9:35

jmaida

30-Mar-23 9:35

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Hiding the key

MSBassSinger30-Mar-23 3:58

30-Mar-23 3:58

Hi all,

I have a question based on the below hypothetical scenario.

I have an Azure based system comprised of:
Web app (Blazor)
Multiple Azure functions
A set of C# library NuGets written to support shared code
Azure SQL
Internal-only APIM
External APIM (for mobile apps and third Party subscriptions)
Azure Front Door
Various Azure services, like Key Vault, Azure Storage, etc.
ADO DevOps (incl. ADO Git repos, not GitHub, pipelines, artifacts, testing, etc.)
ADO Boards for case management
Developers use VS 2022 with access
Secure information that apps use like keys, usernames/passwords, etc. are stored in a key vault.

Now, for the question. What process do you recommend for the apps (not directly publicly accessible other than port 80 HTTP for the web UI) to access the key vault without leaving any keys in config files that could be compromised?

I know what I think, but if I knew everything 100% correctly, I probably wouldn’t be here. 🙂

Thanks in advance.

PIEBALDconsult30-Mar-23 4:04

PIEBALDconsult

30-Mar-23 4:04

In a domain? Doesn't Azure use SQL Server?
We have some data encrypted in SQL Server, with keys and certificates, etc.
Only a user authenticated on the domain with access to the SQL Server database with access to the keys and certificates can decrypt the encrypted values.

MSBassSinger30-Mar-23 5:37

30-Mar-23 5:37

That is certainly a common practice.

Where is the username and password stored for the user you mentioned?

If the app uses that type of user login, doesn’t it have to get the username and password from somewhere outside the DB?

PIEBALDconsult30-Mar-23 5:44

PIEBALDconsult

30-Mar-23 5:44

The domain performs authentication for the user.
The user provides the username and password to the domain.

MSBassSinger30-Mar-23 14:06

30-Mar-23 14:06

And the user can share their password, have it hacked, etc. Still not secure.

PIEBALDconsult30-Mar-23 14:24

PIEBALDconsult

30-Mar-23 14:24

As has always been the case. The user has to know his/her password and might write it on a sticky note or something. That can never be fully secure.

Consider a building with many doors and the janitor has copies of all the keys, locked in a box. But the key for that box can't be in the box, it has to be somewhere else, usually in the janitor's pocket. If that one key gets stolen, the thief has access to all of the other keys.
The janitor can lock the lockbox key in another box, but then the key to that box might get stolen.
It's never-ending. There will always be some nth item which might get stolen and may then provide access to all of the other items like dominos.

I have no idea how someone can possibly think that anything can be fully 100% secure. The concept is a fallacy.

MSBassSinger30-Mar-23 14:43

30-Mar-23 14:43

Not 100%. Just reasonably secure. That is why Azure (and I am sure AWS and others) have the kind of authentication that doesn't require an app storing the means of authentication.