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I've tried using VS2022 on the mac and just switched to VSCode. I've not tried Rider but some on my team have. Have you compared it to VSCode on a mac?
cheers
Chris Maunder
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I do use VSCode for React / Gitops / Terraform but I will now have to look at creating a C# project out of curiosity
Every day, thousands of innocent plants are killed by vegetarians.
Help end the violence EAT BACON
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Rider for me EVERYWHERE these days, along with the rest of the JB tools such as WebStorm, IntelliJ, DataGrip etc
I got fed up with VS's shenanegins last year, I was loosing more time on client projects dealing with VS being stupid, than I was being productive, so I jumped ship.
I've just renewed my first year licence this morning with a 20% discount for sticking with them.
What really pleases me though is the license model is fair.
If I cancel my subscription now, then for the next year I WILL continue to get updates, and as of April 13 2023, the version last released prior to that is mine to keep and use for ever.
So basically, I pay my yearly subscription, continue getting the bleeding edge, once I choose not to renew, I still get to keep and use EVERYTHING I have paid for, I can get an offline/perpetual licence that allows me to download all my previous products and install them on all my machines without having to have the toolbox app installed and logged into my JB account.
Next year if I continue, I get another 20% discount, then for each year after that it stays at that 40% discounted price.
As for the tools I get access too, it's every IDE they do, and about 5 other things too.
Oh and it runs EVERYWHERE... I have it on my windows machines, 7,8.1 and 10, I have it on Red-Hat & Debian based Linux deployments, I even have it running on an old Apple Mac laptop.
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Do you have any articles that say this?
The difficult we do right away...
...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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Our dev team used this - we had a skunk works fungus who reputation fired by adrenaline of 20 somethings, way back in the 80s.
The impossible we do straight away
Miracles take a little longer
Developer, trainer, tester, bug smasher
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Our dev team used this - we had a skunk works fungus who reputation fired by adrenaline of 20 somethings, way back in the 80s.
The impossible we do straight away
Miracles take a little longer
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Windows 7 reached EOL more than 2 years ago.
Microsoft have enough quality problems in VS as it is now, so adding obsolete operating systems to the test matrix does not sound like an great idea to me. Or are you having the assumption supporting old operating systems is free?
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lmoelleb wrote: Windows 7 reached EOL more than 2 years ago.
I've been running Linux with Win7 in a VM for the last six years. I'm perfectly aware of Win7's current status. I choose to do that because anything newer than Win7 sucks big hairy donkey balls.
I was just lamenting the fact that my ability to use teh latest/greatest dev tools on my chosen Windows platform is reaching its inevitable end.
lmoelleb wrote: Microsoft have enough quality problems in VS as it is now, so adding obsolete operating systems to the test matrix does not sound like an great idea to me. Or are you under the strange assumption supporting old operating systems is free?
I'm been programming longer than you've been alive. I'm fully aware of Microsoft's inability to "do the right thing" since the early 80's.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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Man, you really, really need to retire. 
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Win 7 was the peak of M$ achievement. It's all downhill from there.
VS 2017 works quite well under Win 10 - we still use it.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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I don't have a problem with Windows 10. I use it for work 8-10 hours a day, 5-6 days a week.
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Windows 7 was so much faster you could knock that down to 6 hours a day, 4 days a week. 
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Sadly, I have had to go back to VS 2017 (from VS 2022) because bugs. But I have no desire to run [it on] Windows 7. I'm actually running Windows 11, which is OK, but Windows 10 was better because fewer bugs.
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So, are you using Deb 6 or 7 as your OS?
I'm not being snarky, but lmoelleb has a point. Though it's been a while, I don't remember any specific impact Windows 10 (or even 11 on my laptop) had on my primary dev box. With the full VS IDE, God knows how many browser windows, often the full office set- minimally Outlook/Teams, pgAdmin, and a couple of large, compiled VS apps running, I'm not suffering a bit.
Just curious what issues you see?
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MikeCO10 wrote: So, are you using Deb 6 or 7 as your OS?
I'm using Ubuntu 18.3, but I'm not sure why that matters.
There doesn't have to be an "impact" from using Win10 for me to not want to use it. I simply don't like its implementation (actually, as far back as Win8).
Remember, I've never once said (or even implied) that I expect MS to support old versions of Windows forever. I was just recognizing that the process of removing the ability to install Vis Studio on Win7 has started, and everyone is acting like I'm being unrealistic about something.
The ONLY reason I have a Windows VM is because I like to code as a hobby. I'm perfectly alright with eventually not being able to install the latest Vis Studio given that I'm going to retire next year. I wanted to try something that was only available with Net6, and I coudln't try it without installing VS2022 because you can't target .Net6 from VS2019. I honestly don't know why the f*ck everyone is arguing meaningless crap with me that is in no way applicable to my original observation.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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I was more wondering what the negative effects are of Windows 10 to you in this instance, since you were that critical of it.
My *nix question was more to the point that we can all use outdated OSes, but there's no guarantee that you'll be able to do what you want. I have a friend who refuses to use an *nix OS that uses systemd. His logic really isn't bad, but he has to accept some of the limits too.
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If you hate Windows 10 so much, you might like to know of a product called Start10 from an outfit called StarDock. It costs peanuts and replaces the disaster that is the Windows 10 Start Menu with one that looks exactly like Windows 7. This, for me, removed my objections to running Windows 10 and made me a happy bunny. Maybe it can do the same for you and you can join us here in 2022.
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#realJSOP wrote: Win7 VM
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I understand why MS doesn't want to spend resources on testing VS2022 on an O/S that has reached its end of support.
Realistically - why should a compiler + debugger not work on Windows 7? Is there any functionality in the IDE that requires APIs not present in Win7? Inquiring minds wish to know!
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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It will probably work, except MS doesn't want to "support it"; supporting means security patches; which would include "compilers", etc.
Quote: On average, Windows 7 machines have 0.16 malware files making it not as secure as Windows 10. For home users also Microsoft has officially ended support of Windows 7.
Windows 10 is 2x secure as Windows 7. Having 0.07 malware compared to Windows 7. The rate of malware is very less making it more secure.
9 Differences between Windows 7 and Windows 10
"Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I
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You can use Visual Studio 2022 only in a 64bit environment, better if you have to use dot net core 6.0.
Have you tried VS2019 instead? It's faster than VS2017. So you can use VS2017 for every framework you choose.
Good retirement, i wish you will not stop programming code, as your hobby.
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The debugger alone can spin up and connect to Android emulators, iOS (I believe, never had to), native apps, UWP apps (probably including xbox, didn't try). It must rely on a number of components to do this. Making sure all of these components stick to Win32 calls as they where in Win7 is probably not realistic unless a lot of effort goes into it... and why would you make that effort when there are important things to improve.
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Some of us don't do mobile apps or UWP, so those are pointless feature points.
I've been installing 64-bit versions of windows since they were made available.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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And some of us don't do C++, so a pointless feature point. And some of us do not do C#, VB, ... so they are pointless as well.
Once we remove all of these pointless features not used by everyone it turns out there is a perfectly working IDE you can run on all versions of Windows - it is even preinstalled. It is called Notepad.
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