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same here. we don't believe the hype. beyond a few scripting examples, I haven't seen much use of it.
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Slow Eddie wrote: According to the TIOBE Index, and the PYPL index Python is the leading language
Both of those look at search engines, not at job openings specifically.
It's used by idiots to write articles about which language is trending, which leads to nonsense-articles in the daily news, which then leads to the dark side. Uni's use simpler languages to teach concepts, Open source projects use whatever is available, servers, smartphones, websites and rich UI all thrown in a single basket. And you look to that, for job openings?
Open your local gazette and write the languages down. If you already seen C# mentioned before, turf it. Use a spreadsheet, but that says more about what is requested in your locale than some average search engine test that cannot really explain "what" it is indexing. Just a hint that they "may" be popular; yeah, or extremely tedious instead of widely used.
Learning PL/SQL isn't going to make any difference - you'll learn that different dialect easily when needed.
Python? Well, none asks for that where I live. VB6, unfortunately, they do, wich is something you really MUST NOT LEARN.
Java is popular due to universities. Those lefties don't do commercial sh*t and those students search a lot. Still, you find Java more in the real world than Python.
If I need to add to your list, I'd say RegExes.
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Too Late! I have been working in VB6 since it first came out.
If you run across any postings, please shoot them to me. I really need to find a paying job soon.
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Slow Eddie wrote: Too Late! I have been working in VB6 since it first came out.
I shall light a candle and pray for you tonight ![Rose | [Rose]](https://www.codeproject.com/script/Forums/Images/rose.gif)
Slow Eddie wrote: If you run across any postings, please shoot them to me. I really need to find a paying job soon.
Yeah.. in the southern Netherlands? There's a US military base nearby?
NATO JFC Brunssum | Vacancies[^]
Bastard Programmer from Hell
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: Both of those look at search engines, not at job openings specifically.
+100!
Most of the "popular languages" lists are worthless. Look at local job postings to see what languages are desired locally. The popularity of languages can be very local -- some years back the city I live in had a lot of listings for SQL Server, but none for Oracle. Another city 100 miles away was the reverse.
Regarding Python? I don't know a single person who is using it professionally. There has been a lot of buzz around Python for several years, which prompts a lot of searches regarding Python, which pops it higher in the index, which does NOT necessarily produce more Python jobs ...
Eddy Vluggen wrote: VB6, unfortunately, they do, wich is something you really MUST NOT LEARN.
Visual Basic is a fine language, as good as any and better than many. Crap programs can be written in any language, and the garbage I've been exposed to in Java and C# programs, written by folks that have no clue what OO is, is legion.
That said, I don't recommend VB6, as it's a dead language. There are many positions for VB -- it's in the top 20 in most lists -- but they are mostly legacy positions, supporting ancient code. I recently retired an application originally written in VS97/C++ (v5?), and it was a relief!
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theoldfool wrote: CodeProject.AI Server: AI the easy way.[^]
Seems to use a lot of Python.
That's a product, not a job.
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Mayhaps you noticed the majority of the articles here isn't using Python?
Bastard Programmer from Hell
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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True. But then I don't recall saying they did. I was just pointing out that there were some professional uses of Python. Seems like the AI folks like it and AI is better than beer and pizza. Just ask them. 
On the more serious side, good luck in your search. I didn't mean to make light of it.
>64
Some days the dragon wins. Suck it up.
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theoldfool wrote: True. But then I don't recall saying they did
There's simply not enough demand.
theoldfool wrote: I was just pointing out that there were some professional uses of Python
None said that there's no use for it. Just that it is not a viable route if you are aiming at a job that pays.
theoldfool wrote: Seems like the AI folks like it and AI is better than beer and pizza
In that light, VB6 must be Chinese Takout still. After all, lots of companies like it.
theoldfool wrote: On the more serious side, good luck in your search
Just pointing out facts; you do not have to enjoy them. If I was searching, I'd not rely on luck.
Bastard Programmer from Hell
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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BryanFazekas wrote: Look at local job postings to see what languages are desired locally. The popularity of languages can be very local -- some years back the city I live in had a lot of listings for SQL Server, but none for Oracle
Which is basic nonsense. If you understand SQL, then the difference between TSQL and PL/SQL is neglectable for normal tasks.
BryanFazekas wrote: There are many positions for VB -- it's in the top 20 in most lists -- but they are mostly legacy positions, supporting ancient code. I recently retired an application originally written in VS97/C++ (v5?), and it was a relief!
Did nothing with the language recently. Just a bloody fine example of what is asked in the real world, vs the nonsense that Python and Java are somehow "popular". There's no jobs there, simple as that. You might as well learn COBOL.
Bastard Programmer from Hell
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: Which is basic nonsense. If you understand SQL, then the difference between TSQL and PL/SQL is neglectable for normal tasks.
I know that and you know that ... but the average hiring manager obviously did not. 
Eddy Vluggen wrote: You might as well learn COBOL.
Funny you say that, as there's a market for COBOL due to the sheer mass of legacy systems. When sheer record processing power is required, COBOL gets the job done. Banks and state governments have many millions of records and have a lot of COBOL in production to handle the flow. Systems written originally in the 60's are still in production.
[Nope, I'm not a COBOL programmer.]
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BryanFazekas wrote: Funny you say that
It was intentional; a dead language that you should not learn, and has more job-opportunities than Python.
Bastard Programmer from Hell
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Python would be a good choice, in my opinion. You would have at least some fun learning it.
You may also find it useful for prototyping.
"In testa che avete, Signor di Ceprano?"
-- Rigoletto
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Thanks. do you know anybody who is looking for a Python programmer?
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My boss wants me to learn it, but I ain't gonna.
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Python?
For what ffs?
You're dangerous enough already.
Bastard Programmer from Hell
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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I know, right?
Though now he also says he'd rather I were an analyst than a developer. I need to find a new project.
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PIEBALDconsult wrote: Though now he also says he'd rather I were an analyst than a developer
Sure, can he point out the difference then?
PIEBALDconsult wrote: I need to find a new project.
A new employer. Someone that knows what they actually require.
Bastard Programmer from Hell
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Yes.
"In testa che avete, Signor di Ceprano?"
-- Rigoletto
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Are Python jobs usually the sole/primary language for a position or is it something used occasionally? I've never tried it. I have been using PowerBuilder since 1994 but also use C++ in simple non visual apps.
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In job offers (at least the ones I know), usually it is NOT the primary programming language.
As matter of fact, companies are using it more and more.
"In testa che avete, Signor di Ceprano?"
-- Rigoletto
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CPallini wrote: As matter of fact, companies are using it more and more.
I'd like to see a source for that claim; I'm not even ridiculing it because that is redundant.
"More and more", did it climb from 0.21% usage to 0.22%?
What comes preinstalled and works with Office, Exchange, SQL Server? Yes, your first idea must be Python!
Even Java is more requested. Not just locally btw. Python isn't even on the bloody list 
Bastard Programmer from Hell
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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'Preinstalled'?
'Windows'?
"In testa che avete, Signor di Ceprano?"
-- Rigoletto
modified 25-Aug-22 1:02am.
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The runtime for .NET is.
vbrun300.dll, innit?
Bastard Programmer from Hell
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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