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It's payment to use idioticly designed nuget (thanks MS clowns!). If they were aware of the REAL ENTERPRISE development, they will know: NEVER EVER update libraries w/o necessarity. Esp. at "friday builds". DLLs should be updated ONLY after testing in a separate environment (separate from main development env). In other words, any updates MUST be offline and manual. I wish to know that stupid teenager who decide to "update all libs and build" not asking developer. Total nonsense!! 
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Sander, sorry, but your thinking looks childish.  OF COURSE you need I-net to download libs, BUT you need it only during session. After that you can bring libraries to other OFFLINE PC and do update. You probably will be surprised, but in some workplaces there is no access to Inet at all.
Anyway, forcing user to be always online is crazy.
Also, why do it manually when you have tools that do the update for you?
Because you never develop serious software. Imagine author of the lib made... breaking changes! HOW do you know about that if you blindly trust "update for you"? 
And not only that. Imagine lib was infected. Or obtained additional (and dangerous) dependency. Or hell knows what, what is UNDESIRABLE for your project. Don't think all developers are smart! They CAN make mistakes and you will be the victim of this.
Now imagine you have $1,000,000 contract, you need to supply s/w, but... you cannot - because you rely on "silent updates" and broke the build. CONGRATS, you f**** up your contract and loose all money.
Any other naive questions "why"??
As a professional developer, one of your skills must be "CONSERVATIVE". No any jumps w/o reason. No following hype. If you have stable process, it should stay same stable.
My complaint is only that NuGet proposes updates that would not run on my version of .NET
Pray that only this EASY problem appeared. Problems can be much worse and "silent updates" is the reason. It's like allowing children to "play" on your PC! Don't complain they updates your Windows 7 till 10! 
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Thornik wrote: Sander, sorry, but your thinking looks childish.
It may look that way, but I assure you it is not 
Thornik wrote: in some workplaces there is no access to Inet at all
Sure, always a hassle to work at those places! It makes sense for factories, but for most of the office personnel it's complete overkill and costs more in terms of trouble than it gains you in terms of security.
Thornik wrote: Anyway, forcing user to be always online is crazy.
We can agree on that!
Thornik wrote: Imagine author of the lib made... breaking changes! HOW do you know about that if you blindly trust "update for you"?
That's why you test it.
Perhaps we have different definitions of "manual updates".
For me, manually means editing your project files, something I sometimes do.
Automatically is letting NuGet install the version(s) I told it to install by pressing a button.
No silent updates or any of that in my software.
And no breaking changes either.
Going from jQuery v1.1 to 1.2, only after carefully reading the changelog and testing.
Going from jQuery 1.x to 2.x or 3.x, no way in hell.
Going from .NET package 3.1.1 to 3.1.2, sure, because breaking changes are rare for patches and your compiler will probably catch them.
Going from .NET package 3.1.x to 3.2.x or even 5.x, no way in hell unless a platform upgrade is required.
Thornik wrote: CONGRATS, you f**** up your contract and loose all money.
Most companies aren't to keen on looking for new suppliers.
In my experience, you can mess up really bad and multiple times before they ditch you.
And those mess ups rarely have to do with updates.
More like manual mistakes like deleting a database table in production 
Thornik wrote: Problems can be much worse and "silent updates" is the reason.
The only silent updates I know of are those of Windows, and that's not something I maintain for my clients
Never an issue with NuGet in any case.
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Workers endlessly help workers (8)
easy or hard.
cheers,
Super
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Too much of good is bad,mix some evil in it
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PEASANTS?
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
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works a little bit if another clue was there
cheers,
Super
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Too much of good is bad,mix some evil in it
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Or perhaps SERVANTS?
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
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endlessly help - Serv(e)
Workers - Ants
Workers - Servants
cheers,
Super
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My first guess was ASSISTANTS - but too many letters!
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
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actually i was aiming for peasants and trying for a clue to make Please into PEAS
or just use peas in different form but was running out of time.
cheers,
Super
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PEAS == APES
PLEASE remove two directions L, E == PEAS
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
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I think directions should only be compass points - L & R are sides
"I didn't mention the bats - he'd see them soon enough" - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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"Turn left", "Go left" - they are directions!
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
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super wrote: Workers endlessly help workers (8)
SCAFFOLD ?
More by meaning then putting up all. Not sure of endlessly here.
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Tried to organize the junkyard of my in-law and found an old rotary phone. It has a label of 'The Consolidated Near East Co. LTD, Palestine'...
It dates the phone between 75 to 100 years old in my understanding. It sits in a black painted wood box and in surprisingly good condition (on the inside at least).
After half an hour of cleaning the dial works as new...
I'm thinking to connect it to some Arduino and some GMS module and make it work again...
Good work the coming winter
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
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And maybe join the Rotary Club 
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Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote: Good work the coming winter
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Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote: Good work the coming winter
Yeah - something to do when you're snowed in.
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| "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein | | "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010 |
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Brian's stress level was at unsurpassed levels.
His wife Maggie was in labor and Brian was sure it was time to head to the hospital.
Breathing heavily, Brian grabbed the phone and called the doctor. "MY WIFE, SHE’S READY, SHOULD WE COME?"
The doctor tried to relax the poor fellow, "just try to relax, now tell me how much time elapses between the contractions?"
"SHIRLEY!" Brian screamed on the top of his lungs, "HOW MUCH TIME IN BETWEEN THE CONTRACTIONS? TEN MINUTES? OK, TEN MINUTES IN BETWEEN!"
"And is this her first child?” Questioned the doctor.
"NO YOU STUPID NITWIT, THIS IS HER HUSBAND!"
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First child?
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Not the pilot from Airplane.
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Actually, in real life, I have found that husband/wife birth events are best conducted as do-it-yourself projects.
I was a cord-cutter probably decades before any of you !
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W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote: Actually, in real life
If you wanna point out what doesn't work with the joke (yeah, I'm that guy)...I'd say by the time the wife is going into labor, doctor and patient would already be on a first-name basis, and he'd have no reason to ask at that point whether this is her first child or not.
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