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Maybe his disgust is due to the lack of gin or vodka. 
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment
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Quote: Maybe his disgust is due to the lack of gin or vodka.
That would be perfectly understandable. 
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My pottery teacher gave us all a lump of clay, and told us to make an animal part. I made a right pig's ear of it ...
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Wheel, you kiln put some spin on describing it.
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That reference might be lost on us Yanks.
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Developers are like songwriters, they should also get paid royalties. Why is this not standard industry practice?
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Because generally speaking we get paid a wage instead - and most employment contracts specify that everything created during the period of employment is the property of the employer, not the employee.
It is possible to be a royalty - I have one on the real time software for a couple of products - but that's generally only agreed if you are a contractor and it reduces the up-front or hourly payments.
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OriginalGriff wrote: Because generally speaking we get paid a wage instead - and most employment contracts specify that everything created during the period of employment is the property of the employer, not the employee.
Exactly.
and most of us get paid pretty damn well compared to other professions. So why look a gift horse in the mouth?
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If you sell your software / provide a library you kind of do.
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Some problem as with scientists. Never formed any unions.
The problem is that they are just delighted that someone will pay them to do something they love to do.
Still, you are correct. Pretty much corporate wealth comes from our creative production.
On the other hand, I don't punch in or punch out - and I'm paid whether they use the crap or not.
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ok, so additional notes. I have a good friend who is a very good songwriter. He is under contract to a studio. He writes a ton of songs and gets paid a wage. Some of his songs he will never get paid a royality for and he doesn't think he should. There are a few were he 'might' get paid.
Not sure how this is different right now than our industry. If I write something that makes it to the big leagues I will be compensated acccordingly. And just like my friend if he gets a #1 best seller, he will get a share of the cut(along with everyone else involved). But if his song is the 8th song on an album by some group that barely sells, well he gets his salary.
Seems to me they work just like our industry.
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codejet wrote: Developers are like songwriters, they should also get paid royalties.
A song doesn't break. Do you want to also take on the liability for your bugs?
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Marc Clifton wrote: A song doesn't break.
But can make your ears bleed.
Or... on a quality sound system could cause fine glassware to resonate and shatter
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I am one. And would starve right now if it weren't for my wife.
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We don't write software with bugs do we?, I thought they are undocumented features...no extra charge.
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Because the industry wants everything in open-source and free
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MadMyche wrote: Because the industry wants everything in open-source and free
And before that, Steve Jobs convinced everyone "apps" should be $1.99 and no more.
Yeah, as a matter of fact I do blame him for devaluing the freelancers. Seriously - where's the money in shareware today?
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No standard but you can try and negotiate anything. First is on site versus off site, then you go from there. "On site" always runs the risk of being classed an employee if you can't show otherwise.
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Well, many good comments here, but for me the honest truth is I wouldn't know where to send my contract money based on the fact most of my code is copy/pasted from googling. I have no idea who wrote the original, but I have no intention of reinventing the wheel.
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I used to have a manager who delighted in telling me how much the bank saved/made from the applications we developed, I delighted in the monthly payment he made to my account. We were both rather pleased with ourselves.
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Quote: Developers are like songwriters, they should also get paid royalties.
Where did you get the idea that most songwriters (and performers) get royalties? Most of them work for a wage, like software devs.
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Hi All,
Had to phone the govertment 'help' line, I swear they have taken the Brazil method, the voice recognition is c**p, the older systems of press '1', '2','3' for a set of options with '9' for none of the above worked (not well, but better than the voice recognition). I don't think I have a very heavy accent, I am starting to wonder. It seems you need a number, that comes from a form you need the number from. Leading to the call that cuts off... 
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