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OriginalGriff wrote: All our code had to be printed out, wrapped in waterproof plastic, and thrown in the lake where the sub HMS Version would collect it. That's where the original "Waterfall Model" came from, as you know.
No, no, no, you have it all wrong. The Waterfall Model was invented as a joke by the University of Waterloo, Ontario, Canada. The code was flushed with water down the toilet (AKA "loo"), and then travelled with the rest of the sewage to Lake Ontario, where it eventually fell over the Niagara Falls.
Various researchers, all American, actually suggested using this model for software development.  
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
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I'm getting old, but not that old yet, so I only half believe you 
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Which half do you believe?
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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Epic Games: Stranger Things 3[^]
Currently free - and probably to remind us that there will be a ST4 is Covid ever ends - it's an isomeric platformer sort of thing, I think: I haven't played it yet. ST2 was pretty good, in an "8-bit retro" kinda way, so this may be good as well.
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
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Epic still hasn't been forgiven for giving away GTA5 a few weeks ago. Since then there's been a sudden influx of noobs or worse, people who already had the game but now use a second account to act like jackasses with no fear of getting booted out.
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Is GTA5 MMO?
Didn't know it...
I will have a try when the dumb activity settles down. I don't want to get pissed off by jerks at the beginning.
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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GTA 5 has an online component to it. I've ignored it for years.
There's always jerks, and I don't think it'll ever go away (or at least I don't think waiting for any period of time will make any difference).
Best thing you can do - help others and have them join their crew. Then join their sessions to play the game, even if you intend to do you own thing and play solo. When random people show up and start killing others pointlessly, leave the session and join another.
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dandy72 wrote: When random people show up and start killing others pointlessly, leave the session and join another.
I have done that in other games since I play online...
the amount of morons is an universal variable that tend to infinite.
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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I am not trying to ignite an old war, I prefer Desktop App dev, but the wave caught me, doing web dev now, and at peace with it (sort of)...
But as I was looking at our app, it suddenly struck me... however bad is your javascript, html, server code, seldom will the browser freeze. Maybe the page will be stuck loading but you can close it, ignore it, open another tab...
However, if you write ugly bad desktop code, with humongous calculation in your UI thread, your app can easily freeze. For example I wouldn't trust one of the developer here where I am to work with me on any app... this guy... makes me sad..
[EDIT] To summarise the point above concisely: An awful web app coded by stupid developers will fail more gracefully than an awful desktop app coded by other stupid developer!
Anyway, it even happen to me, I often read multiple PDFs at home with Foxit, and I noticed lately Foxit tend to freeze easily. The whole application freeze, can't even navigate to another PDF / tab, this is annoying... 
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Which makes me think... Any PDF reader recommendation?
[EDIT]
Just checked Adobe Acrobat Reader, it's better that it used to be, might use that!
But Foxit has an easy edit of Bookmarks, still great for that!
modified 26-Jun-20 6:59am.
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Browsers these days do a pretty good job rendering PDFs. At least the Chromium-based ones. (My default for PDF is Brave on Ubuntu.) But then I don't have a need to bookmark pages within PDFs...
Cheers,
Peter
Software rusts. Simon Stephenson, ca 1994. So does this signature. me, 2012
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Browser is barely sufficient..
Yes it renders but it's unusable... I do need the bookmark pane on the side permanently open and pointing to my current location... Those PDF I am using have like 200~400 pages...
modified 25-Jun-20 22:17pm.
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16 GB of ram and 8 cores: no Foxit issues.
It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it.
― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food
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Sure it's not a crypto-miner in disguise?
Software rusts. Simon Stephenson, ca 1994. So does this signature. me, 2012
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Yes but... do you have multiple 400 pages PDF that you let open in the background for a while and check every now and then?!
Because I also have 16GB and 8 cores! 
In fact I regret it, should have installed 32GB
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Maybe one of these: pdf-viewers-for-windows[^]
I always used the Edge browser as it could also read ePub files, and guess what?
Since the last update that functionality has been lost 
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Yep, that annoyed me as well - the one thing Edge did well, and they removed it ... 
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I use Corel PDF Fusion (reader and writer), but mostly because it's less annoying the Adobe and it came free with one or other of the Paintshop Pro upgrades I have bought over the years.
It works, but it's not free (they do a free trial though if you want to try it out.)
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adobe reader 11.0.23 -- protected view --- gets u there faster !!
for adding bookmark for pdf files ... check js hack -- A JavaScript Hack that Works with Adobe Acrobat
How to Bookmark a Page in a PDF Document in Adobe Reader
Caveat Emptor.
"Progress doesn't come from early risers – progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things." Lazarus Long
modified 26-Jun-20 2:36am.
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thanks! 
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Having worked on desktop, mobile and web apps I can see the attraction of desktop apps.
I think perhaps the biggest advantage I have found if the stability and slowness of 'innovation' on the desktop side.
It means that you can get quite skilled at working in a particular framework or area and make more stable applications.
My experience with mobile and web applications is that the modern response to most problems is "there's an npm/git package/library solution for that" and before you know it you are battling with side-effects and problems introduced by that "solution".
But from a programming point of view there is not too much different between the three platforms - the difference that is probably most prominent is having to understand areas like security and 'defensive programming' when doing web and mobile development.
Super Lloyd wrote: humongous calculation in your UI thread
that's just plain poor design whatever platform you are on.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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GuyThiebaut wrote: Super Lloyd wrote: humongous calculation in your UI thread
that's just plain poor design whatever platform you are on.
Well that was my point!
An awful web app coded by stupid developers will be less painful than an awful desktop app coded by other stupid developer!
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The apparent advantage of web apps (where crashes are concerned) is because the client side of the app is interpreted, not compiled. All this means is that the interpreter was written properly, and allows breaking at (almost) any point.
The server side can still be written so as to crash, perform long calculations in the servicing thread(s), and all other things that we know and "love".
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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I had those same problems with Adobe Acrobat Reader.
After I installed a new version (or just reinstall?) it works fine again though.
I usually use Chrome or Edge to read PDF though.
One of the things I love about web development is that it's way easier to deploy.
You don't need to deploy secrets to users, no copy/pasting files for every user (they can't use installers), no VPN connections (unless the app is hosted on-premises) and you're sure everybody is on the latest version!
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I installed the latest version of Adobe Acrobat Reader (which I didn't installed for many years now) opened 4 PDF documents, 300 pages each, went to play some Assassin Creed Odyssey for a while...
And now I am back on the desktop, clicked on Acrobat Reader, clicked some bookmarks, boom, instant response!
I like it!
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So what you're saying is that you can pretty much get away with writing crap code without trashing the user's machine...
Web dev is actually harder than desktop dev.
0) There are FIVE languages associated with most (ASP.NET) web sites:
- HTML
- CSS
- C#
- Javascript
- SQL
1) CSS is probably the hardest thing to get right. You have to be careful selecting 3rd party libs because of possible incompatibilities.
2) Javascript is the same everywhere, but selecting a framework is a nightmare, simply because of the sheer dirth of options.
3) SQL presents its own challenges because writing a query is kinda like writing code backwards.
4) Deployment can be a minor nightmare if you store connection strings in the web config file, and you have to "deploy" to different environments in the course of preparing code for production.
5) Web dev is stateless, and unless steps are taken, variables are not persistent between requests.
6) You have to be cognizant of memory consumption, especially on a website that gets a lot of traffic.
With desktop apps, you have few if any of those considerations.
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