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When I was getting started, we were taught to think, not reproduce by rote: we had to code on punched cards, and the tutor got a summary of each students run count: your score dropped with each increased run above two, and was zero if you got to five.
It taught you to learn the language, and proofread your cards: it taught you to think hard before committing to code.
Now, they expect to find the code they need on CP / SO and just throw it in, compile and hand it in - just like history homework: read the page in the book, type it up in Word, hand it in.
Dev isn't like that, and frameworks and patterns don't really help them to learn what the heck they are doing. IMHO, that is!
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"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
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Your 'think hard' comment reminds me of my Assembly language course experience. That professor was old school, one of those who also started via cards. In his course, if you failed a weekly quiz or homework, you failed the course, period. It was an intimidating course that broke a lot of students.
Fun times, fun times.
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Kris Lantz wrote: That professor was old school,
No he wasn't. He was just your garden variety a**hole.
Period.
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I was meaning 'old school' in his skill set, more so than his teaching style.
In any case, you're not wrong in your comment. It wasn't a secret to him or the campus.  I think he just came with the land when they broke ground to build the school. I believe he was responsible for the creation of the CS department, so he had quite a bit of freedom in how things were done.
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Sounds like the guy I had for one of my classes. He was a first order prick. The purpose of the class was to build a microprocessor-based project. I only got about 90% of my project finished, so he told me he was going to fail me for the course. The angels smiled on me, he thought about it for a minute, and said "Let's go check your exam scores." I had perfect scores on the midterm and the final exam.
I got a C in the class.
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When I started, there weren't any tutors - you taught yourself. My experience with punched cards (at least initially) was filling in coding sheets and sending them off. Turn-round time was 14 days. The punishment for not getting it right was a long time delay. This encouraged you to carefully desk check before sending off. Unfortunately, that did not stop extra fortnight delays if the recipients of the coding sheets mistyped what you had written.
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That's why I still use "slashed zeros[^]", "barred Z[^]", and so forth to this day! 
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I have yet to find a framework that can really help solve real world problems, other than the one it was written for. The dotNet "framework" isn't really a framework, but rather a huge library of utilities and optimized base classes.
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Given that frameworks are application-specific and don't provide a complete solution for anything, your first sentence is axiomatic. It's jarring because your second sentence distinguishes a framework from a library.
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Message Removed
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Other people's children are great. You can wind them up and then leave.
Real programmers use butterflies
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I used to think the same, but then I had kids. Karma is a real b****.
But hang on, my kids are now adults. No chance of payback, Thanks for the reminder
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yacCarsten wrote: But hang on, my kids are now adults. No chance of payback,
Yet... BWAHAHAHAHAHA
As grandpa you will have plenty of them... 
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
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Ah, yes. Here's one of the perks I like about the Grandparent gig:
To this day, children seem to be born with a defect, by which I mean they seem to leak. It take years to finally fix the problem.
As a grandparent, when they begin to leak and otherwise ooze unpleasntries, you simply hold them up towards their parents (thus removing them from your lap or shoulder, as well) and say 'here - this is yours and it needs to be serviced.'
Observation: grandma's sometimes insist upon undertaking the work, themselves . . . ? ? ?
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I actually did that on my mom's birthday once.
I got two much younger cousins all worked up by doing stupid sh*t, such as turning their chair or tapping their heads.
Needless to say, they tried to get back at me, but the moment they did that their mother got mad at them for bothering the adults
When they sat quietly in their chair again I started pissing them off again and things repeated.
I can't imagine their mom didn't see me doing that stuff, but she couldn't really tell me what I could or could not do.
Ultimately, I invited them to my room where they could blow off some steam
Anyway, have fun at your sister's!
I'm pretty sure you're their weirdest most fun "auntcle"!
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I might be, but my family is brimming with weird. Apparently it's hereditary. 
Edit: My sister and I are very much alike. I call her my portable external id. She might be as weird as me.
Real programmers use butterflies
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I always enjoyed more overt forms of winding kids up.
My greatest triumph was deciding that since my aunt and uncle already had to clean footprints off the walls where their kids were climbing them (splayed out in an X going up hallways) that I should help them walk on the ceiling as well. Much fun was had by all until they got too heavy for me to safely lift over my head.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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My half-brother brought his idiot kid around to visit my mother and I. During this brief visit, the kid went into my hobby room and trashed several delicate WWII model dioramas that I had been working on for months and months. When asked about his son's destructive behaviour, he just said, "He's only a kid, you can't blame him". I did blame both him and my brother - so when it came to Xmas time I bought the kid a plastic trumpet and a tin drum. He loved them - my brother not so much - Karma!
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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No, those sort of toys get quickly "broken" or the battery runs out and never replaced.
If you want to drive the parents nuts, get something that has a thousand pieces. These pieces find themselves strewn about the house, being stepped on, or having to search for missing pieces for hours.
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that's why he got the trumpet and the drumm... those don't need batteries 
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
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yacCarsten wrote: If you want to drive the parents nuts, get something that has a thousand pieces. These pieces find themselves strewn about the house, being stepped on, or having to search for missing pieces for hours.
Lego called, they want their meme back...
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Alternatively, buy Kinetic Sand! Keeping a sandy mess contained outside in a sandbox is in the past!
No matter how big the containment tote is, it's going to end up in the floor, in your socks, under the sofa, behind the dresser, etc (you know, all the fun places.)
It doesn't matter how often I sweep, run Roomba, and throw it away, more makes it's way into the home. 
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The glitter air shooter is what you were looking for.
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� Forogar � wrote: "He's only a kid, you can't blame him".
...so yeah, as his parent, your brother's the one to blame for his kid's behavior. That wasn't divine intervention, so blame has to go somewhere. Good to see he was willing to own up. Right? Right??
I have zero tolerance for misbehaving kids. And I always look at the parents. My sister's right into the "he's just a kid" camp, but in her mind that's where things stop and nothing can be done about that...
Her kid's getting older, and I'm having the last laugh.
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