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OK, (being serious) - let's stop this one right here
The Lounge[^]
(Jörgen ... not faulting you - I accept blame for starting it.)
pestilence [ pes-tl-uh ns ] noun
1. a deadly or virulent epidemic disease. especially bubonic plague.
2. something that is considered harmful, destructive, or evil.
Synonyms: pest, plague, CCP
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No worries, I thought that as long as we don't namedrop and point fingers all will be ok, I think few people will actually disagree. (Now I'm going to read the rest of the thread.  )
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The USA have the best politicians money can buy!
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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Forogar wrote: The USA have the best politicians money can buy!
Not true. I could do a lot better for a lot less. 
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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And don't forget their appointees!
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Jörgen Andersson wrote: You know that every country have the politicians they deserve.
North Korea deserves him? China deserves communism? Canada deserves Justin Bieber? Hmm. Interesting.
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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ZurdoDev wrote: Jörgen Andersson wrote: You know that every country have the politicians they deserve.
I think the saying applies to countries in which people can choose their leaders. But you knew that already.
ZurdoDev wrote: Canada deserves Justin Bieber?
Bieber turned to politics? God help us all...
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dandy72 wrote: But you knew that already.
Actually I didn't. But regardless, it's a catchy cliche but still wrong.
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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ZurdoDev wrote: Canada deserves Justin Bieber?
Aye? They, in fact, deserve Quebec (no longer KSS at this point, is it?).
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W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote: Quebec
Is Quebec a bad thing?
I have only been to Canada once maybe, and I did like it. But I don't know Quebec.
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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last time I was in Quebec was during the Winter a few years back,
forgot most of the details but do remember hotel was about 5 miles north of Miami.
pestilence [ pes-tl-uh ns ] noun
1. a deadly or virulent epidemic disease. especially bubonic plague.
2. something that is considered harmful, destructive, or evil.
Synonyms: pest, plague, CCP
modified 1-May-20 11:09am.
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ZurdoDev wrote: Is Quebec a bad thing?
Possibly the original source of the term "NIMBY" . . . besides having that "attitude" common to speakers of French.
Think of it as something in Canada "you don't want to step in" (and all associated implications thereof).
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What Dandy wrote.
And no-one deserves Justin Bieber, or Celine Dion or Nickelback...
Wait a moment...
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Jörgen Andersson wrote: What Dandy wrote.
Fair enough. Still not true though, in my opinion.
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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No, no you fool, there is a third one!
3. How dense the population is
It does not solve my Problem, but it answers my question
modified 19-Jan-21 21:04pm.
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There must be some other factor involved. With only these two about 90% should be dead by now. perhaps those that are a little hollow lower the average density?
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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Myrkur - Vinter[^]
Myrkur released a new album recently.
While her previous albums were categorized as dark folk and even black metal(?) her new album is nothing like that.
The album is titled "Folkesange", which is Danish for "Folk songs".
And that's what this album is about, traditional Scandinavian folk songs.
It's awesome and one song in particular reminded me of The Dark Crystal (and someone else said the same without me telling him).
However, the song that stood out for me, is Vinter, the last track on the album.
It's piano and vocals only and it's beautiful.
It reminds me of fairy tales, maybe from a Tim Burton movie.
For some reason, the piano melody also reminds me of Le Fabuleux Destin D'Amelie Poulain and The Shape of Water.
In any case an awesome and beautiful track 
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Didn't know her, nice one indeed. Thanks Sander 
"Five fruits and vegetables a day? What a joke!
Personally, after the third watermelon, I'm full."
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Immediate concern is the lack of [community] info out there,
C# has been around for years, google any "how-to" question - even for what you consider obscure, and you're spoiled for choices and actual sample code often right down to exactly what you want for the exact same data types....
Rust is still a baby, community info is still thin for anything off mainstream,
yes, if it lasts it'll get better but it's not there yet.
In a similar vein I've been playing around with c#/GDK on linux using first monodevelop, later .netcore-glade (the latter allows Gtk v3 vs v2 for mono)
- a lot less info there (often end up trying to relate python to c# - even then it's not language for language only replacement).
(Oh, and putting it nicely: the dev tools aren't as comfortable either.)
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Before you go Rust or anything consider your target(s), then check out the Rust message boards (and even questions asked) if it's a common thread
For instance if you do a lot of SQL Database is that common/easy in Rust?
... likewise target platform, target audience.
If you are looking at serious work, not just a hobby do yourself a napkin comparison matrix
1.Your target App Type (i.e. Business, Game, Driver, Utility, O/S ...)
1.1..x Sub targets that matter, i.e.: needs big/small/no Database, direct Dev Input, Mobility...
2. Target Platform(s)
3. Target Audience(s)
4. Support (community, documentation, SDK...)
5. App distribution channels
... google the sorts of questions you would ask and see what the results are like. Even thinks like: "Rust and SQL Server" if that's something you may need. Is it 2-5 clicks or 3 pages of of powershell commands that 'sort-of' make it work.
I mean Rust looks neat, and add in for fairness Java is still super popular
but if all you're doing is banking-back-room apps are those logical/best (/acceptable) choices?
also on hobby, or professional. if it's for professional-long-time (how much money you can earn till I retire and how long will I be relevant):
consider COBOL used to be #1 choice for banking - today people think it's dead.
-- You know how much $ COBOL devs can ask for? more than Java, c#, rust etc [combined]
Sure there was a flat period as the language first faded and still had too many devs, but once they went away...
Sure learn something else to remain immediately relevant, but it might be worth keeping up with those older languages (i.e. don't abandon them for good coz 20 years from now if you're in the few last men/ladies standing and c# becomes the new COBOL...)
pestilence [ pes-tl-uh ns ] noun
1. a deadly or virulent epidemic disease. especially bubonic plague.
2. something that is considered harmful, destructive, or evil.
Synonyms: pest, plague, CCP
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well... just for fun.... and DirectX as well perhaps? (Which, is just another variety of fun)
Microsoft Windows APP is made in C++ but C++ is pain to use.. you have to write an header, the syntax is convoluted, the compilation is slow, intellisense if far from as good as C#...
If I want to write ultimate Desktop app I need to rewrite all my utility libraries in C++, so much of a chore...
So I hope I could use Rust to write the ultimate desktop app (for fun for now) with ease. And even sprinkle DirectX with ease (as of now DirectX integrate "relatively easily" with UPW view, but not so well with C#... 
I don't think it will have much career benefit... Web and Phone app seems to be were the money is for me now, and I already got enough experience in both that, well... I am looking for something interesting else to expand my horizons and satisfy my curiosity! 
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ahh, for fun knock yourself out
... never know, maybe it'll stick well with you, won't know without trying (and safer than drugs)
forgot to mention I was only playing around with c# on linux - but can already feel my steam running down. (can already see it's not a long term choice for work or play)
...perhaps next I'll take a look at Rust too?
pestilence [ pes-tl-uh ns ] noun
1. a deadly or virulent epidemic disease. especially bubonic plague.
2. something that is considered harmful, destructive, or evil.
Synonyms: pest, plague, CCP
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Super Lloyd wrote: well... just for fun....
If I were to play around with some other language for fun, it certainly would not be just some slightly different syntax on the same "algorithmic language" foundation. I'd go for something completely different.
In my youth, I played around with APL. The language itself it fascinating; to do APL well, you have to think in a different way from the traditional algorithmic languages. Loops and conditional jumps fits rather poorly in (unfortunately, those concepts have been forced into the language by people who never learned to think in APL, but you don't need to use those facilities). I'd really like to spend some time again, playing around with APL!
Prolog is another language that forces you to think in a different way: Essentially, you state restrictions on the solution, and the program output essentially says: The basic premise holds true if X=5 and Y=8. So there is your answer... I never got deep into Prolog thinking, but some think it is fun to solve problems not by stating the solution steps, but by stating restrictions.
SNOBOL might be compared to Prolog (I think I am the only one who ever did that ): It starts out as an algorithmic language, but then it has this pattern matching facility (this is where it relates to Prolog) that tries out all viable alternatives. It is sort of a readable regexp-syntax . You would never write a complete program solution as a traditional regex, but when the mechanism (at the conceptual level - syntax is quite different) is put into a more traditional algorithmic framework, then you can make complete solutions. My first encounter with SNOBOL was a 200 line implementation of ELIZA[^] - a rather primitive one, yet impressing for being no more than 200 lines. (In modern C programs, you haven't come past the copyleft comment at line 200!)
Lisp is yet another language that forces you to think in a different way. Even Lisp has strong elements of pattern matching logic. I never learned it well, but I'd put it high on my list of languages that would be fun to study.
I never studied Rust closely, but from the descriptions, it seems like an "improvement" language: We started out at C, then improved its dynamic memory handling, improved it concurrency mechanisms, improved this and that. So maybe they have created at better, improved, language. But even though APL and Lisp and several others are "old" languages by years, they are far more "new" in their approach to developing problem solutions, for one who comes from a C[++, #, ...] world that is Rust.
Besides, I am not of the religious kind. I do not want to do programming in a congregation. Python is bad enough, it seems like The Church of Rust is a lot stronger. But of course: To some people, the unity created by a social environment provides support and valuable self confidence.
If I were not at all thinking of career opportunities, only of the fun, I'd rather go to a completely different language, not to Rust. But that is me...
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Well... I see benefit where we don't...
Not really interested in learning a language for the alien-ness of it...
I spent 2 weeks learning go and at the end I though... mm.. I got nothing special I want to do with it...
But while the Windows Dev team internally use C++ to "fully exploit" and get best performance for thing such as DirectX or UWP, we, as C## developer we have, allegedly inferior performance and can't even use DirectX.
So, hopefully, with Rust, I could got easy to use language AND best performance, access to DirectX
And maybe I will feel like I could scrap my home C# project and turn them into home Rust project instead! :P
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