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That's just people projecting because they are in a panic that their woke paradise might be brought back to reality.
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Are you saying businessinsider is fabricating the story? because they say they've got their hands on internal emails to that effect.
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
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I'm not really saying anything, I don't have any facts. But IMHO, I don't think that is coming from Elon. That's probably management freaking out and trying to be proactive.
I once had a VP ask way so and so wasn't at their desk. This resulted in managers demanding that no one leave their desks for any reason. If you had to talk to someone 2 desks over, you had to call them. We had people written up for going to the bathroom. None of this was directed by the VP, they just asked an innocent question.
So I would reserve judgement until things settle down, management begins to breath again, and Elon has more than a couple days on the job.
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Well, given Musk's public statements on the issue about firing most of his employees and the like, I'm not inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt.
But even if I was, I won't put up with being treated that way in a workplace. By anyone.
I know I'm not alone in that, which is why I suspect Twitter is bleeding top shelf talent right now.
If I was a recruiter I'd have been outside their HQ weeks ago.
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
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you might be right, but I read somewhere that fortune favors the monsters.
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It does, and has certainly favored him, but that doesn't necessarily translate to the betterment of the people under him. 
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
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Yes!
Can imagine having a boss that have thought and creates at your same level?
Not bound by the normal corporate BS?
Not every idea becomes a project and not every project pans out, but when your boss is up at night thinking of what to come up with next, instead of how to please everyone else.
Howard Hughes was like that, and because he was unimpeded by the public corporate bounds, his companies were used to run very large important projects.
Look up the Glomar Explorer.
I would love to be part of projects like what Elon Musk and Howard Hughes have created.
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No. I don't do twitter and it's unlikely they'd be making products that require embedded code. I don't write Windows/Linux code (except for scripts, mostly to support my embedded coding). I'm pretty sure I wouldn't fit in there very well anyways since I'm the kind of guy that would tell a woman that "Yes, that dress makes you look fat" when she asks.
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No, but I wouldn't have worked there pre-Musk either. All of that garbage is worse than making dirty bombs in a basement lab for a dictator.
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i assume you talk about the programmers at twitter
"My guess is his top talent has already fled"
what exactly do you mean when you say top talent from the pool of twitter programmers?
Jonathan Blow on Software Quality at the CSUA GM2
at the beginning of 2016: twitter had close to 4000 employees, space_x had 450 and they build and lunch rockets into space
ps - i'm not saying that i'm better than the twitter programmers, but i'm definitely not in the space_x league
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I mean the people that can deliver projects on time and on budget, who write great code.
They exist in small groups at most any major institution, even Twitter. Talent is as diversified as it is rare.
It's kind of weird to compare employee count of two wildly different organizations that do completely different things. I don't really get that.
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
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ok, it is now clear what are you saying by top talent.
to me, working as a programmer in a company like twitter would be considered only if i want to work as less as i can without getting expelled. sort of like, be invisible in the huge number of developers that have a job of taking care of the functionality of twitter. because i'm sure, from what i see, that twitter can be maintained by 8 competent and 2 high class developers. and those competent developers are in no way skilled like the guys who made Doom or Quake or who won the 4th place at the Assembly Demo Competition or the Apollo 11 team working under Margaret Hamilton. at any point past 2014 twitter had hundreds of developers.
don't underestimate "working undetected", because sometimes that is exactly what i want. sometimes, i need a 2-3 years break to study: lisp, tcl, perl, forth, assembly for vga under ms-dos or simply enjoy reading novels while i am at work. because, you cannot get a job that will improve your lisp/forth skills. you can only get a job that can improve your: JavaScript, C#, Java, C++, php... skills
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I would only work there now that Elon bought it.
Twitter is well known to censor political & corporate opposition which is the definition of fascism. Elon buying it & actively being against censorship of even his own critics is a huge positive.
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Hmm. Let's t'ink 'bout dis t'ing.
Previous massahs sold their loyal, trusting, staff to the ... <badum> Balrog? Check.
Previous massahs got big fat golden parachutes and billions in stock for themselves and didn't give a hoot-n-holler about what happens to their loyal, trusting, diverse staff that worked so hard? Check.
Loyal, trusting, staff are whining and pining for the good old days slaving under dem dere massahs dat sold dem down de river? Check.
Balrog is clueless about the most basic aspects of running this kind of business? Check. Oh, dear lordy lordy. Balrog is beyond clueless. Balrog actually thinks subscription model is viable. So, that's a check, check, check, check, check, checkity, check-check!
Oh, snortlefeathers! You've talked me into it! Just like dem good ol' dayz down south.
Kin ah sell you me liver? Just one, and it's healthy.
Balrogs need helpers.
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Honestly, if I were fresh out of school, or at least 20 yrs younger.
Why Not?
I College Friend has a son who works for Tesla loading the AI Data.
He started fresh out of college, loves it.
An even closer friend has a son working for SpaceX (This kid was Fully Java Certified at 11,
full-ride scholarships to about every school he applied to).
Both love their jobs and feel they have learned half a careers worth.
If you are a Dilbert Fan... You won't find a Wally floating around.
The team itself would likely kill them, and cook them on a spit out back!
So, it's not for the feint of heart.
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Kirk 10389821 wrote: Honestly, if I were fresh out of school, or at least 20 yrs younger.
Why Not?
I guess because I had/have better options than working for people that issue drop dead date firing ultimatums for entire teams and otherwise abusing their employees? Even Microsoft didn't do that to me.
You do you.
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
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Absolutely! Musk is legitimately sorting out the real workers from the deadwood, and this is one way to do it. I was treated far worse by major aerospace companies back in the day, with management demanding that I sacrifice my life to fix the out of control projects they mismanaged.
Will Rogers never met me.
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Of course I would: There are two types of people in the world*: bums and whores. A bum lives in the present and doesn't care about the future; a whore sacrifices the present for the promise of a future. All programmers are whores.
* Elon is a third type: a madam. A madam is a bum with money...
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Not now, not before, not ever. Why do you ask - did something change recently that I'm not aware of?
No, seriously, it has nothing to do with who runs it. Twitter is just one of those companies that can only accelerate civilization's downfall. Compare the positive that has come out of it (I can't think of a single significant example), vs all the witch-hunt taking place - all the snowflakes and butt-hurt people digging up ancient tweets just to embarrass people and contribute to the cancel culture.
Musk would only do us all a favor by taking the bullet and shutting it down. Then go after Facebook next.
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Mould ten into something for the survivor. (7)
Software rusts. Simon Stephenson, ca 1994. So does this signature. me, 2012
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Momento ?
Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming “Wow! What a Ride!" - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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nope
Software rusts. Simon Stephenson, ca 1994. So does this signature. me, 2012
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I see what you did there! 
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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Glad someone has 
Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming “Wow! What a Ride!" - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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And I was right!
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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