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Up here, for that money, you get a script-kiddie who doesn't know what a class is, let alone the difference between "public" and "private" accessors.
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Yet if you hire remotely, $35k / year will get you someone with 5-10+ years experience :p
Bad pay in the US is often extremely good pay in many other countries.
-= Reelix =-
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With 35k / year in Italy you buy the entire family. I'm doing a bit more than that but I am extremely lucky and I played my cards right - I bailed out at the last minute when the hiring company already had sold the T&M project to the customer so they had to Accept* a higher request from me.
*As in the rock band Accept, since they had their b***s to the wall.
GCS d--(d-) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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Thanks for the tip but i'd really like the person on site
Repo Man
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There are businesses where hiring off-shore isn't an option.
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And in my experience with "hiring remotely", Quote: you get a script-kiddie who doesn't know what a class is, let alone the difference between "public" and "private" accessors. Who had someone more experienced sit in on their interview for them.
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But hiring a remote worker won't solve your problem. It will spend money to train someone up who has no reason to stay with your friend's company. You need to find a local.
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I think you have buckley's chance of getting anyone to take such a position. A dead language, paying peanuts and a PITA boss, good luck with that.
The first thing anyone, even a script kiddie, will want to do is rewrite the thing into a live language.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity -
RAH
I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP
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Assuming that requires living in New Orleans, and working on-site full-time; no chance.
Nothing wrong with VB6; it made me a lot of $ in its day
cheers, Bill
«The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled» Plutarch
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Any chance of sorting things out with your boss? Maybe speaking to him about changing his management style? I have a boss that tends to micromanage us as well, but he used to program - not sure if that makes it better or worse.
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Aside from salary (I don't know if that salary is good in your area, but it seems a bit low) I think you will struggle to find a junior willing to learn a language that was retired 20 years ago and, even if you did, the chances that you would manage to retain a junior working in a language that was retired 20 years ago would be slim. That would then defeat the point of the issue you are trying to address.
I would suggest you talk to your boss again, save the budget on hiring a junior developer and use it to rewrite the application in a modern up-to-date language. This would be good for you and good for your boss in the long run.
Don't misunderstand me, I loved VB6 back in the day, but that was back in the day, those days are long gone. Although tempting and may appear logical, I wouldn't consider moving straight to VB.Net either, have a look at alternatives first (C#, F#, Delphi), to try and find the best tool for the job. I moved from VB6 to C# (I flirted with VB.Net and did a lot with Delphi inbetween). It's also worth considering which languages give you a large pool of available development talent, these usually migrate to the environments that have the most earning/employment potential (not always the best).
I assume it is currently a desktop application, perhaps consider moving it to a more modern web framework. There's no advantage to it being a web app per se, this just increases the talent pool available to you. Your options are endless really. Then once you have that done, finding a junior should be easier, although, potentially more expensive. But then you wouldn't need a junior as your boss could replace you far more easily should you decide to move on.
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10 years ago Fortran was getting posting for juniors to learn because the upcoming cliff drop of retiring out of those developers.
when hiring - you can promote VB6, in 10 years, will be paying higher value for youngish experienced developers because that job pool will be dropping off and lots of cash cow products rely on it, and easier maintained then replaced.
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that's a great idea. I'll use it.
Repo Man
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I'm curious. What is the program for? I learned VB as my first programming language. If working remotely is an option, maybe I can help, even rewriting the application in a modern language.
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Sadly, the boss won't consider working remote -- yet. Rewriting in a modern language, except for the website which I'm doing in VB.Net Web Forms, is out. I will keep you in mind however
Repo Man
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Oh wow, the boss guy really wants to shoot himself in the foot...
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Can we have link to the current website? Just curious.
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Yes, crescentradiator.com
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35K a year for a "junior" position?!
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Junior programmers aren't learning VB6. They're learning C#, Python, and Javascript.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010 ----- You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010 ----- When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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I'm hoping one will be desperate and flexible enough.
Repo Man
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Believe me, I get it.
Repo Man
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I'm saying for $35k anyone you're going to get will either be a hopeless loser or someone taking a job because they're desperate for something in the short term and will be gone for greener pa$tures within a year or two. While I understand preferring to have someone local to make training easier; if that's all your boss can afford your only hope of getting someone qualified and willing to stay is to outsource to somewhere in Elbonia where $35k is a lot of money.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
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