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I've been down this track in the past (10 no 15 years ago).
Do you consider this a one off project or
Do you intend to onsell the finished product?
Who is going to own the IP?
In one case I built the app with no sale price on it, simply chrged $1k support per month, starting from 1st month with a 6 month dev twindow (it was not my primary job). Client was happy as he could change his mind as often as he liked and the only thing to change was the delivery date. I supported and developed the product for 8 years and only stopped when I left the country.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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I got tired of all the negotiation and stuff and settled with a $2000 lump sum.
I think I'm going to need some sort of manager if I'm going to stay in this job. Some of us just aren't cut out for demanding money.
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Now you know why I'm a contractor, you turn up for work, they start paying you, you leave, they stop. I once had a partner who was very business savvy, I went broke he walked away with the business and what's more I was happy.
Make sure you have a line drawn in the specs, this far and no more. Do get the client to sign off on the requirements, I know this sounds a little melodramatic but a 2k job can cost you 5 times that in scope creep.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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Aye, well said. Thanks.
Both my client and I were a little regretful that we the specs were somewhat vague. It worked out in the end, but the price wasn't what either of us had expected.
Thanks again.
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Hi there. I've been in the field for about 10 years as an employee and before then I just developed for fun. Before it was much easier to stay up to scratch with the latest technologies and to be sure you know what you need to know.
I've been thinking about some kind of study plan. Almost like a checklist you can go through to be sure you know where you are (knowledge/experience wise currently) and what the other things are you should know.
I moved over from vb6 to c# .net about 1 year ago. So I have development experience, but often find myself in a place where I just need to know a little bit more to do things faster.
Does anyone know of such a "study plan" or where can I find some kind of walk-through or guideline from beginner to current technology.
It's almost like just a guideline to make sure I have all I need - since the market have changed so much - so maybe like a few things one need to know in C#, then maybe some of the new technologies one should know... say LINQ / Silverlight... etc. Else maybe some RSS feeds I should subscribe to. I also have a friend who want to become a developer and this would help people like himself. Thanks.
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Marthinus wrote: Does anyone know of such a "study plan" or where can I find some kind of walk-through or guideline from beginner to current technology.
I don't know of any one specific plan, but here's my thoughts:
1. You may want to look at your local community college or university to see if there is any classes you can take to augment your skill set.
2. Read up on articles here, find good books, and engage in intellectual dialogue with members on this site 
3. Write up articles you feel are beneficial to yourself and other members of this site.
"The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer
"Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon
"Not only do you continue to babble nonsense, you can't even correctly remember the nonsense you babbled just minutes ago." - Rob Graham
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Thanks a lot for your input - I really appreciate it. So I will continue on my path of reading articles online and subscribing to RSS feeds Thanks a lot!
I am free within. I know that all my wrong doings (debt) towards God have been paid for in full by Jesus Christ. Heaven awaits me!!
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hi marthinus
nice plan mate,i think your opinion is great.i get what the point is,knowledge + experience = can catch new technologies more fast and efficient way to  .about study plan,as guideline from beginner to current technology,your recipies could be the good way mate.
about my study plan,not for sure,im still wondering can help people around here to pass some exam etc.
and probably can help them create path to success
cheerr......
Yudi
modified on Tuesday, September 16, 2008 4:43 AM
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Hi guys am in search for tools that will automatically generate comment for sour code.
Even, if its just TODO comment i don't mind.
aas
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This isn't the right forum for this. This forum is for asking about work or training issues. Saying that, I'm feeling nice - you may want to look at GhostDoc[^].
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hi all,
im trying to get MCTS in VS2008.and trying to get a book or other resource that maybe helpfull.is anyone have the same situation like me.
and is it fit to talk about it inside this forum
thnx
Yudi
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Cyhop wrote: and is it fit to talk about it inside this forum
You've picked the right forum.
Cyhop wrote: is anyone have the same situation like me
Sorry - no. I really have no time for these qualifications. I'd rather hire somebody with proven experience, but please don't let me put you off. This is just my preference and shouldn't affect the way you go. I've just had bad experiences hiring somebody with MS certification when it turned out that they didn't have the necessary skills to back it up; it just leaves a sour taste with me. If you have the practical skills to back the qualification up then good luck.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote: MS certification
I've wondered about those, coupling one along with my dual degrees.
"The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer
"Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon
"Not only do you continue to babble nonsense, you can't even correctly remember the nonsense you babbled just minutes ago." - Rob Graham
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hi paul,
lol...,thnx you for your reply.anyway,just want to make me more confidence,that why i try to get that "MCTS".this is could be another preference for IT job,but it not must.doing the real world programming and make mony for that probably the good way is it.......
Yudi
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hi pete,
im understand about your preference ,but just to make some confidence when im dealing with someone else.im just have practical skills along with my experience(probably more that 10 year DIY developer and programer) as my hobbies,so...i've plan this "MCTS" as my study.
last hope is just make money for all this stuff mate....,
anyway thx to all concern about me and this
sincere
Yudi
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I've already gotten my BS in Computer Information Systems. I have a full-time developer job and my company is willing to pay for more training if it will help me do my job better. My main development environment is Visual Studio 2003, 2005 and I mostly develop in C# .NET. I have been as this job for more than a year so I don't have years of experience. What kind of training will prove to be worthwhile? I've read a lot that certifications are becoming less and less important to companies. Are developer conferences good to attend? I've never been to one. Does any one have any other suggestions?
B Rizzle E TTizzle Nemizzle
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bn3m wrote: What kind of training will prove to be worthwhile?
Which areas do you need to improve? What are you about to start work on that you don't understand yet?
bn3m wrote: I've read a lot that certifications are becoming less and less important to companies
It depends on the company. If the company is a Microsoft Partner then the certifications will be important.
bn3m wrote: Are developer conferences good to attend?
Yes. Also look for local user groups.
bn3m wrote: Does any one have any other suggestions?
Read about software development. Buy books on the subject. Keep learning.
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Colin has good suggestions and I'd follow them. Do also keep up on the latest new, emerging technologies, learn how to use them, and make yourself marketable
bn3m wrote: Are developer conferences good to attend? I've never been to one.
I went to the VS2008 product launch from Microsoft in April and learned quite a bit about SQL Server 2008, and it was worth my while. Keep an eye out for events like this, some are free, which is cool.
"The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer
"Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon
"Not only do you continue to babble nonsense, you can't even correctly remember the nonsense you babbled just minutes ago." - Rob Graham
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Hi. I would like to find a VB.Net job board, hopefully run by developers instead of recruiters  I was dissapointed when I saw how few jobs were posted on this site. CodeProject is my favorite VB.Net site, I usually look here first for programming solutions.. Is there a VBJobProject??
Thanks!
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pa28140 wrote: I was dissapointed when I saw how few jobs were posted on this site
Give it time. It is a new feature.
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pa28140 wrote: would like to find a VB.Net job board, hopefully run by developers instead of recruiters
Good luck.
pa28140 wrote: saw how few jobs were posted on this site. CodeProject is my favorite VB.Net site
Like Colin said, give it some time. It is a new feature that will likely catch up to speed quickly.
"The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer
"Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon
"Not only do you continue to babble nonsense, you can't even correctly remember the nonsense you babbled just minutes ago." - Rob Graham
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My colleague and friend Shawna McAlearney (smcalearney@cxo.com) is writing an article about managing tech workers for CIO.com. Could you help her out?
"How tech-savvy does your manager need to be to manage you effectively? For example, does s/he need actual development knowledge? What top three skills MUST s/he have to be effective?"
You can reply to me publicly or privately, but it'd also help if you cc'ed Shawna. If she quotes you, she'll need some "who the heck is this?" info too, such as your name and current title.
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A chair, a whip and a big top hat.
"If you reward everyone, there will not be enough to go around, so you offer a reward to one in order to encourage everyone."
Mei Yaochen in the 'Doing Battle' section of Sun Tzu's: Art of War.
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Ha!
Well here's what other techies had to say...
Does a Tech Manager Need to Be Tech-Savvy?
To listen to the techies, any IT manager ought to have deep technical knowledge about everything in the knowledge domain, whether it's network performance or code optimization. Or so the prevailing wisdom goes. When push comes to shove, though, your techies would far prefer that you fine-tune your management skills than compete with them on technical know-how.
http://www.cio.com/article/447783
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eschindler wrote: IT manager ought to have deep technical knowledge about everything in the knowledge domain
Not just knowledge, but accurate knowledge, if I may add.
"The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer
"Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon
"Not only do you continue to babble nonsense, you can't even correctly remember the nonsense you babbled just minutes ago." - Rob Graham
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